Originally Posted by pig

will, first you make the same begging the question move when you put in the "fetus is a member of the species homosapiens," but i understand that this is due to your particular view point. however, whether a fetus is a 'member' of homosapiens would seem to precisely be the point.

Originally Posted by pig

as to the second point, i'm not even close to arguing that a fetus is technically an organ - i was simply making an analogy based on my own beliefs. as much as i loathe wikipedia, i checked it to verify your definition, and you're pretty much spot on. using that definition, i could make a stretch to argue that a fetus is precisely an organ, the specialized purpose of which is to eventually grow into a little people person. i do not think this would be accepted by the scientific community. i'm sure we'll agree on that, if nothing else