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hmm...will: does that make removal of a cancerous tumor 'murder'? i mean, this can really go around and around and around and around...i respect that you believe what you believe, and trust that you will act on it. i do not think that abortion is murder, i do not think most people want to see women who have abortions treated as murderers, and i do not understand on what basis the anti-abortion side forms a basis for *universal* condemnation, ergo roach's post. as i said earlier, the point with the 'before birth' vs. 'after birth', to me, is that it is VERY CLEAR that we're talking about an independent life with a thing that has been ejected from el vagina and is yelling its head off...its not so clear from any scientific point of view prior to conception...because we don't have a way to measure what it means to be an independent human lifeform, as far as i can tell.
il: yes, it is unfair towards men, at present, with regards to the choice of abortion or not abortion. so your answer to 'its not fair' is 'take it away from everyone'? i don't see how that makes sense.
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