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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
Well, to take it back a little closer to OP-ville, I will agree with IL in that, even though this is a horrible, deplorable thing that is not acceptable under any circumstances, it is an act that is so far removed from Western cultural mores that we cannot relate to it on our terms. This is a practice that has been prevalent not only in Muslim society, but Hindu, as well.
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Thats a total cop out.
We can't relate to it because its evil and twisted. Its an archaic system that has no place anywhere today and to justify even in the slightest way by saying 'its their way' is moral cowardice. I'd also add that at least the supreme court of India has labeled Honor killings as an act of barbarism, demanding punishment for murder. I
Its evil and wrong, period.
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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
I am saying that we cannot approach it on our terms. As if this were something occurring in the suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio. We are looking at cultures where, although it is not as widespread as it was a few centuries ago, it is still somewhat understood because of cultural standards that we cannot relate to. So to sit here and say that it is wrong as if we were talking about it within our own cultural conceptions and standards isn't taking the entire picture into consideration.
Personally, I would love more than anything to see people stop killing each other and treating each other with brutality, period. But sitting here wagging my finger saying 'they shouldn't do that, it's just wrong' would be oblivious to the complexities involved that make people act the way they do.
That's all I'm saying.
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And its still evil and wrong, period. We can understand the twisted morality which makes it acceptable, it doesn't mean we have to accept or even tolerate it. Its bad enough they do it routinely in their pseudo theocracies, but now they are doing it in our suburbs.
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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
Well, why can't we stop child abuse with physical force?
You can't stop it with physical force unless you can see what is going inside people's homes.
In most, if not all, countries where this is practiced it is illegal. From what I understand, enforcement is a problem. Because of the reasons I stated above. What needs to change is people's attitudes and just like we haven't been able to stop people with force from beating and killing their children in this country, for much less banal reasons than 'honor,' you will not be able to stop this by force.
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We can stop it in the West by dropping the multi-cultural bullshit. If you come here, you are welcome, you now will assimilate with OUR culture. If you want to kill your daughters for running off with a Christian, get the hell out.
I'm personally rather done with the concept that we can tolerate this type of thinking in our own borders. And we can stop it, without force, they can get out.