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Old 08-23-2007, 01:22 PM   #75 (permalink)
Ilow
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Originally Posted by Fast Forward
Exactly!

"Back in the day" Playboy magazine pushed the limits of "smut" versus "art" straight into a corner and the only way they could display a COMPLETELY NAKED woman in their pages was if no pubic hair (or labia) was visible. Hence, the shaved pussy.

The "industrial imitation in life" you mention took over from there. I recently saw a TV documentary film about an increasing number of women who have their labia surgically removed. Every one of the women they interviewed said it was either (1)the centre-fold model portrayed in nudie magazines that motivated them - or (2)"to make it more attractive for their boyfriend/husband". The interesting thing is (but no surprise to me!) is that interviewing those boyfriends/husbands revealed that none of them had been consulted nor had they consented to the operation. 2 - 1 = 1.
Firstly, if youare looking to Playboy to prove your point about "certain industries" influencing society you are most assuredly barking up the wrong tree. In fact for a "smut" publication they are sort of conservative in this way. As near as I can recall (and since this is in regards to a topic that I hold quite an interest in--vaginas) they didn't really place a fully shaved playmate in their pages until quite recently, opting for what they saw as "artistic" instead. Since I was intimately involved with shaved vaginas since the mid 90's, I would have to say that this is a case of art imitating society, rather than the other way around. Now you could certainly make the case for the porn film industry or other publications, such as Hustler or Penthouse influencing society more, but truthfully I think it is more of a reaction to the ridiculous merkin-esque pubic afros of the 70's and 80's. Check out this link if you wonder what I am referring to (link NSFW) http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=121469

As far as the labiaplasty that i believe that you are referring to, I generally look at it as a form of Body Dismorphic Disorder where the person believes that there is really something wrong with their body, when in fact there is not (see Michael Jackson's nose). I would say that it's not unlike some eating disorders in that way. Of course society influences this in a certain way, but so does the rise of the cosmetic surgery industry. For the record I am not at all in favor of labiaplasty unless it is a matter of comfort (some women request it to make riding horses, bikes easier or for wearing swimwear) [shrug] I'm only the messenger.
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