100% belief will by its nature give you certainty. Of course.
You, by the sound of it, are an atheist and have 'certainty' in the "cold, hard truth".
I, by contrast, am an agnostic. The only certainty for me is that I have no certainty. Nor do I think that my sceptical mind will ever allow me to have certainty (to prove that God does not exist is as hard a challenge as proving he does).
BUT I don't want to have just certainty. I see little benefit in knowing for certain that there is just the "cold, hard truth", as opposed to my current position - where I am pretty sure that you are right, but I still have a glimmer of doubt and hope.
Why doubt?
Because I cannot prove or say with certainty that God does not exist.
Why hope?
Because the choice seems to be between a "cold, hard" reality - nature red in tooth and claw - and a warm (hard) reality, in which there is a plan and order to all this mess, I am just too limited to see it.
You seem to have certainty in the non-existence of God.
I would like to have the certainty that He does exist.
Edit: We both seem to keep editing after the other has posted!
So....
If you cannot see the pain and suffering in the world then (and I really don't mean this disrespectfully) that is because you are shielded from it and have not looked properly. We both live in the top 5% (probably top 1%) of the world's population. Life in much of the rest of the world is dominated by hard labour from childhood, war, hunger and disease. I will put a list of some facts on the next post. Sorry if this is 'bad' double posting.
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I've been 4thTimeLucky, you've been great. Goodnight and God bless!
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