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Old 06-13-2007, 10:28 AM   #5 (permalink)
Xazy
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for some reason the ongoing debacle involving israel and its occupation of palestine (i know, i know: polemic in the first clause) has been shoved off the media screen of late. over the past few days, it seems that street fighting has broken out and intensified between supporters of Hamas and fateh in Gaza.
It is obvious why, it is because Israel is not involved. Just like Lebanon and the violence in the refuge camps is not really in the news either. But 2 weeks ago when Israel retaliated for hundreds of rockets being fired in that made the news.

I kind of laugh at the U.N. I find that they are hypocritical in many ways towards Israel, have not helped in the least against the ongoing assault against them. They are in Lebanon now there is reports of continued smuggling of arms, do they do anything no.

As far as blaming of stopping funding there. Where is the 10 Billion that is right BILLION dollars that Arafat had that vanished in foreign aid that was given. On top of that there are hundreds of millions unaccounted for. Israel has documents from back then of money being used to buy illegal arms that was used against Israel. Yep let us give them more foreign aid, let us give them more money to support terror.

Of course we can talk about the U.N and Arab Nations. If you take the U.N decrees at heart let us begin. Have the Palestinians ever accepted the original U.N. decree in 1947 for duel states to exist. Or has there been nothing but violent attacks on Israel since?

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but of course the american had decided up front, via their amazingly stupid "axis of evil" way of thinking, that hamas was in fact "the bad guy" and that "logic" should dictate intrasigence relative to hamas--and so when the opportunity arose to encourage a moderation of hamas via actions that would enable it to functionally govern, the americans and israelis put the kaibosh on all that....and so the present conflict--the present civil war (in potentia) has to be blamed these actions.
Wow, let us see how Hamas really is.
1) Fathi Hamad, Hamas Member of Parliament, to al-Aalam Iranian television in Arabic, 15 March 2007: (prior to the swearing-in of the Palestinian Unity government):
"Hamas rejects the Arab [peace] initiative and wants Palestine from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea. If today Israel cannot be beaten militarily, it will be possible in the future."
2) • Dr. Ismail Radwan, Hamas spokesman in Gaza, to Hamas TV, 3 April 2007:
"Hamas is readying itself for the entry of the IDF into Gaza and there is no point in calming the area while the IDF continues to operate in Gaza and the West Bank. All factions, all military groups must be ready for real battle when the IDF escalates the situation."
3) • Dr. Mahmud al-Zahhar, Hamas leader in Gaza,to Hamas TV, 3 April 2007:
"Entry to the capital means the state falls. Entry to Al Aqsa Mosque means entry to Jerusalem, it means the fall of that state that sees Jerusalem as its capital. Entry there will be victorious."
4) • Sami Abu-Zuhri, Hamas leader in Gaza, to Hamas TV, 6 April 2007:
"These are the founding Hamas principles on which we raise our children and in which we believe:
• Armed resistance
• Non-recognition of the occupation in any form
• All Palestine from the river to the sea
• The holy places and Jerusalem
• The right of return
5) Khalid Mash'al. Head of the Hamas Politbureau, at a rally marking the third anniversary of the death of Sheikh Yaseen:
"The Hamas movement has sacrificed Yihya Ayyash, Jamal Mansur, Salah Shehadah and others. Hamas has sacrificed all these but will not retreat from its course, whatever the doubts that others may express. We shall never give up an inch of the fatherland nor any of our rights nor any part of our land... We shall go the way of resistance, which is not a straight line but means blows, clashes, one round after another, attacks and withdrawals. The course is to Palestine, to cleanse Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa. This is our way against the occupation, Hamas was and always will be strong in Jihad (holy war) and Istish-had (suicide bombings)." (Al-Jazeera 6 April)
6) Mash'al at the Jerusalem Conference in Algeria:
"There are some signs of unrest among the Arabs, which is still in an early, partial stage. This awakening comes after the failure of earlier attempts, after the Arabs saw what became of the options they had relied upon; there is the start of an awakening. People feel that there is no choice but to be firm, this is a beginning to build upon, especially now that we have leaders whom we hope will call for firmness and an end to any new concessions. The Arab and Islamic national resistance has shown its capabilities. It has succeeded in standing firm in Palestine, Iraq and Lebanon. In Palestine its success has been partial, in Lebanon it has been open, and we pray for its success in Iraq." (Al-Aqsa TV 29 March)
7) Mash'al on "Land Day":
"The strategic aims of the Hamas movement start with resistance [i.e. - terrorism] from which it will not swerve. Any talk about Hamas having abandoned resistance in exchange for being in government is a losing bet. Any withdrawal in Hamas military operations is not due to a political decision but is part of the rules of struggle against the occupation. Resistance comes in waves, attacks, retreats, ups and downs, Hamas remains true to its oath and the path of resistance... The Mecca agreement and the establishment of a unity government do not mean that the platforms (of Palestinian factions) have been united and that Hamas is now Fatah or vice versa, but rather that we have agreed on a common plan of action with each faction retaining its ideas and policy." (Pal-Media, Falastin Alan-internet, 29 March)
8) Mash'al prior to the Arab summit:
"It is time the Arabs fixed a strategy, we shall not agree to concessions. The series of concessions must be stopped. There will be no concessions on Jerusalem, Al-Aqsa or the right of return. … None of the cards of violence must be lost, we must keep the option of resistance in Palestine. That way is not dead." (A-Shuruq al-Yawmi, Algeria, 26 March)
9) Prime Minister Isma'il Haniyya in an interview to the Saudi paper Al-Jazeera, (2 April) regarding the recognition of Israel:
"As far as we are concerned, this is settled once and for all. It is settled in our political literature, in our Islamic thought and it is settled in our Jihadist culture on the basis of which we make our moves. The issue of recognizing the Israelis is out of the question."
"We have been advocating the establishment of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders with Jerusalem as capital and the return of the refugees. For this we will declare a truce, not recognition of Israel. This is our view in Hamas."
About the Arab initiative he stated:
"The Arab summit has adopted the Arab initiative as it stands and it as not been amended. This initiative has received Arab unanimity and we do respect that but we have our own opinion... We do have a position regarding the clause about recognizing this initiative."
Regarding a Palestinian state he declared:
"The concept of the Palestinian State is clear in our view:
Palestine with its borders and legitimate heritage. However we do not have a problem within the government in this phase. We have agreed to set up a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, we are telling everybody that we have an objective for this phase."

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I can continue giving quotes of Hamas, but in my book they are terrorists there have been hundreds of rockets fired in to Israel in the past few months, but then again no media coverage there, unless Israel fires back. A total double standard.

Where is the press coverage of the atrocities of everything going on in Africa?

But to me the problem with peace is the brainwashing of the next generation. From a Hamas Mickey mouse on TV preaching hatred to that being taught by birth. The education system the books there is tons of information on what is taught there that makes it impossible for the Palestinian people to desire peace.
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