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Originally Posted by roachboy
so wait, ace: what you're basically saying is that everyone should take conservative political premises as seriously as anything else--sorry, but i dont.
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I am not sure I said that, but no. I certainly don't take every conservative political premise seriously.
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second, you are claiming AS A CONSERVATIVE that the politics of attack-the-messenger--which was and is among the central elements of the conservative political repertoire--are now being used to dismiss YOUR positions?
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It happens.
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all this indicates to me is that you cannot distinguish between dismissal of the premises of your arguments and personal attacks. which is your problem, not mine.
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I usually distinguish the difference based on how a person holding a different view responds to my questions. When a person fails to address a question on the table and then chnages the subject, I assume they don't have an answer to the question and their position is weak. When a person fails to answer a question, and then makes a comment about me, I take that as a last ditch effort to save face short of ignoring me.
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and then, because you cannot make such a distinction, it follows for you that there isnt one so therefore...somehow...there are no attacks on conservative premises, only on you...and therefore...somehow...the arguments that you advance can be confused with arguments that are not in themselves problematic...so therefore...somehow...the arguments remain legitimate.
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What?
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ok fine: given the history of this character acventura3, all this follows.
but let me step to the side of this for a minute and make a suggestion, if you will.
i think your arguments ARE problematic.
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All or some, based on your experience?
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but within this, there is another issue, and that is what the suggestion concerns:
the written persona you have chosen to adopt functions exclusively through repetition of these arguments.
whoever you are behind this persona is not an issue--speaking for myself, i have no idea who you are back there.
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"I am what I am" - Popeye
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the mask you have developed--"aceventura3"---is so constructed that anything anyone says in opposition to its positions end up looking like attacks on the mask because you--you know, you back there, the guy who writes this stuff--you make no separations yourself.
all this projection and illusion simply to avoid confronting the fact that there are people who find your arguments at the very best problematic...it's tiresome.
it is NOT a reflection of anything bigger, despite what you may imagine: it is a direct function of how you choose to manipulate your written persona.
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I think Gore believes there is a problem, according to the OP he blames the media. I onlt point out that the tone of those you respond to me, follows a pattern.
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maybe if you consider exploring another relation to this character aceventura3 you'd find yourself operating in a different game.
try it out--have some fun with the guy--he's only a fiction.
if you don't enjoy it, you can always go back.
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I don't know how to be something I am not. You will always get the real Ace.