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Originally Posted by aceventura3
I am not sure how you know this, but as a Republican I think our continued efforts in Iraq are a waste of American lives and resources given that we are not unified in our belief that our reasons for being in Iraq are proper and just. Over the years all I have heard from Democrats is how we either had no plan or that the plan in Iraq has failed. What I have heard from Bush is either the plan is working or will work after some adjustment. Today, the American people are clearly against our military presence in Iraq, fighting in an un-winable civil war. The rest of the world is against our military action in Iraq and it seems that the Iraqi people are against our presence. We need to get out, we need a plan to get out. I think if the Democratic Party truely accepts the message sent by the American people during the congressional elections, take a stand against Bush - they will have the support of the American people and get Republican support. If Democrats waffle on this issue, they will not have anyone's confidence. The window of opportunity is closing.
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ace....I just dont understand what you're saying and I cant imagine what you have been reading or watching.
The Dems had numerous plans that may or may not have had the support of the American people. All the plans took a stand against Bush....and they coalesced around the one they thought was best for the US and Iraw and had the best chance of passage...the emergency supplemental bill that included this languague:
Directs the President to commence the phased redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq no later than 120 days after the enactment of this Act, with the goal of redeploying, by March 31, 2008, all U.S. combat forces from Iraq except for a limited number essential for: (1) protecting U.S. and coalition personnel and infrastructure; (2) training and equipping Iraqi forces; and (3) conducting targeted counterterrorism operations.
Requires redeployment implementation as part of a comprehensive diplomatic, political, and economic strategy that includes sustained engagement with Iraq's neighbors and the international community to collectively bring stability to Iraq.
Requires reports from the President to Congress every 90 days on progress made in implementing such redeployment.
Requires a joint report to Congress every 60 days by the Commander, Multi-National Forces-Iraq and the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq describing progress made in achieving specified benchmarks toward the stability of government in Iraq.
How is that NOT a plan to get out (at least relative to the "surge" plan)?
Because it doesnt call for immediate and complete withdrawal? I think it is far more responsble by giving the Iraqis time to get their shit together, politically and in terms of their security forces.
Yet, it had virtually no Repub support, many of whom characterized it as the "surrender bill"....and
you think Repubs will support something stronger in the current environment?
We have far different views of the political realties.
I am looking a solution that can get bipartisan support...I have no idea what you are looking for or believe the highly partisan Congress can unite around. to end this failed endeavor.