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Originally Posted by tisonlyi
For a definition of asinine, re-read your own text.
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ok, i did. ooooh
burn...oh wait...was there a point to that insult? hmmm....
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Originally Posted by tis
"removal of the foreskin doesn't change your dick that much" - ??? Insane. IF it doesn't change it that much, then why have your child put through agony to do it at all?
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because it changes it a little. in ways that might make it easier to clean and apparently may make it less receptive to certain stds, etc.
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Originally Posted by tis
"to compare it the genital removal rituals performed in africa or the like where they cut out the entire fucking clitoris or more is just asinine." - where did i do that?
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newflash! i wasn't responding to you specifically, but to the thread and the general commentary. seriously, calm down.
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Originally Posted by tis
If a procedure is performed on a child, a procedure which causes intense pain and permanent damage, for no sound medical reason then IT IS CHILD ABUSE...cleft palette. hairline lip. disfigurements in general. serious deviations from 'the norm' which will radically affect the child's opportunities in later life....Foreskin? How is that going to affect a person in their job interviews exactly?
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1. you're assuming certain facts in this statement you
can not back up. namely that there is no sound medical/hygienic reason, and that it causes "damage" is a choice of semantics that belies your bias, and
2.because we typically cover it with clothing then it deserves special treatment? i thought this was about the underlying physical and psychological damage to the child? i hate to say it, but an uncircumsized penis
could be a drawback sexually; but frankly i'd rather think that a chick would be ok with whichever type of penis the guy had if she was into him. is it child abuse when a doc sticks a thermometer up a baby's ass for a while, holding him/her still so it won't squirm? how about shots for vacinations that many people don't believe are necessary? i'm just saying its
not as clear fucking cut as you want to make it out to be, and for christ's sake stop getting so fucking up in arms about it. i'm not trying to "attack" you; specifically or in general. i'm simply stating that reasonable people can have reasonably differing opinions on this. for fuck's sake.
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Originally Posted by tis
"the... decision isn't the most paramount issue our children face and isn't going to be swayed by a video of a baby crying; purely emotional play there". I'm stunned. Human beings shouldn't let emotion come into our decisions as to whether babies should be mutilated or not. *shakes head*
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yes, you nailed the point of my statement. absolutely. skewered it. i don't know why i'm going through this paragraph by paragraph, but shit. seriously.
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Originally Posted by tis
Really, if you don't see this as clear cut (pardon the pun) against, open and snip, err i mean shut, then you're deranged.
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well, that's not the first time i've been called deranged; welcome to the club. but that's what i'm saying. listen, i'm sure it hurts to have your dick cut. i've done it when trying to trim pubic hair with a pair of fucking scissors (bad idea, by the way). it hurts. circumcision is obviously not strictly necessary; i know some great guys with presumably great peni, healthy and friendly and intelligent, all with uncut peni. but i think that some people who know a shit more than i do would say it may have some health affects, and i don't think it seriously hurts the young man-child. i respect people who choose not to do so, i respect people who haven't had it done.
oh, and
hal: i hate to do this, but i want it to be clear that i don't share
lasereth's point of view on the disgusting nature of the uncircumsized peni. i like my little cut buddy, but i have nothing against the uncut ones. we all have what we have, we do what we do; shit, diversity is a pretty great thing. i don't particularly care about, and in fact i can understand your position in this "debate;" i just don't think that making out people who have their sons circumsized to be evil is particularly accurate or conducive.