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"babies are altered for aesthetic reasons fairly often, if my understanding is correct from friends who work in delivery rooms. i can understand the genital mutilation argument on this issue, but its nothing to get all high and mighty about. removal of the foreskin doesn't change your dick that much; to compare it the genital removal rituals performed in africa or the like where they cut out the entire fucking clitoris or more is just asinine. as for the baby; have y'all ever been around babies? the ones i've been around have been fucking crying factories. my opinion that the circumcision / non-circumcision decision isn't the most paramount issue our children face isn't going to be swayed by a video of a baby crying; purely emotional play there."
For a definition of asinine, re-read your own text.
"removal of the foreskin doesn't change your dick that much" - ??? Insane. IF it doesn't change it that much, then why have your child put through agony to do it at all?
"to compare it the genital removal rituals performed in africa or the like where they cut out the entire fucking clitoris or more is just asinine." - where did i do that? I made a clear point comparing one aesthetic choice for skin removal to another, not clitoral removal. You upped the ante to try and ridicule the point. deliberate misdirection combined with an attack on me personally. well done. here's an ad hominem argument for you...
If you're in favour of child abuse, or even not against it, you're a child abuser.
If a procedure is performed on a child, a procedure which causes intense pain and permanent damage, for no sound medical reason then IT IS CHILD ABUSE.
"how do y'all feel if a parent elects to have something like a hairlip or birthmark removed when an infant is young? i was going to say cleft pallette work, but i think the old cleft pallette is a little more serious than the scope of dick surgery we're talking about. still, i don't know. i had a friends who left ear never fully unfolded when he was an infant, and his parents arranged to have it juked around with using a scapel and such to unfold it...for purely ascethic reasons. the guy was never upset at his parents for altering his natural appearance. i mean, maybe we're all sociologically brainwashed, but the fact that a bunch of guys who are cut...replying in this thread saying that we don't feel mentally and emotionally scarred...should be a reasonable indication that its not the heinous procedure that the uncut chaps are making it out to be."
cleft palette. hairline lip. disfigurements in general. serious deviations from 'the norm' which will radically affect the child's opportunities in later life.
Foreskin? How is that going to affect a person in their job interviews exactly?
"the... decision isn't the most paramount issue our children face and isn't going to be swayed by a video of a baby crying; purely emotional play there". I'm stunned. Human beings shouldn't let emotion come into our decisions as to whether babies should be mutilated or not. *shakes head*
Paramount concern? I'm sure the baby might not be worried about it's college fund at the time the clamp is attached...
Perhaps if you could translate the impulses overwhelming the newborn's nervous system into something in black and white, maybe then it'd be more cogent.
A baby is not a thing, not a lifestyle accessory to sculpt into whatever image you choose. It is a person. A defenceless person. A person who needs someone to protect it from harm. A person to love it.
Are you really looking after your baby if you're taking a knife to it for no good reason?
Seriously.
YOU ARE AMPUTATING A PERFECTLY GOOD PART OF A NEWBORN BABY'S ANATOMY FOR NO GOOD REASON.
Doesn't that make you think... err... maybe this isn't something i should do?
Really, if you don't see this as clear cut (pardon the pun) against, open and snip, err i mean shut, then you're deranged.
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"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place." - Winston Churchill, 1937 --{ORLY?}--
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