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Originally Posted by Rekna
DK the muslim world and gang land has taught us that if everyone owns a gun then more people will die in gun related deaths. When everyone is packing people are more likely to pull out a gun when something happens (like a bar fight).
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There will always be stupid people no matter how much legislating is done. It can't be helped. The sensible ones will avoid this crap while still having the ability to defend themselves. Personally, if idiots want to go out, get drunk, and shoot up each other.......so be it. The stupid will then die out.
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Originally Posted by Rekna
Then once one person pulls a gun others do. It only takes one person to start a gun fight. The old west was ruled by everyone own guns and how did that work out for them?
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the 'wild west' is a fallacy started by the anti-gun groups to make you envision clint eastwood movies and gunfights at OK corral in the attempt to make you think that bullets would be thick as fireflies. The 'wild west' was not nearly as wild as they would have you believe.
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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
If I were a Chicago cop, I would have arrested my brother officer, maybe not happily but to stop him from sullying my image. But that's me.
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I have to say, as admirable a stand as that would be, you wouldn't last very long on the force.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/marin/3...arol28.article
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Jon Burge and Torture (1973-1991):
To this very day, Mayor Daley and the city Law Department continue to pay the fees of a raft of lawyers, expensive outside legal counsel, to defend the indefensible. Even though the city already has paid millions in settlements for what Burge and his boys did to force murder suspects to confess (electrodes on testicles, suffocation and cattle prods), even though the city admitted years ago that "an astounding pattern of torture" existed, the city still defends Burge in current federal cases. And Daley, who was the Cook County state's attorney for many of the years when Burge and his gang were brutalizing suspects, has yet to have a candid conversation with the public or the courts about how it could have happened under his and other public officials' watch.
Oh, one other thing.
Not a single solitary police officer, prosecutor or judge has ever come forward to testify about what Burge did to make his cases. Make no mistake, a number of them knew.
Joseph Miedzianowski, Cop, Dope Dealer, Gun Runner:
One of the worst officers ever to wear a badge was also one of the department's shining stars and most protected players. No less than Raymond Risley, head of Internal Affairs during Meidzianowski's ruthless reign, defended him in the face of growing evidence he was a violent, corrupt, menacing thug. Even though Miedzianowski went to prison, it took 15 years and a federal jury to acknowledge the damage that this one cop did to, among others, two federal agents who desperately tried to get the city to investigate the danger he posed to the community. As a result, for years Miedzianowski terrorized those agents. Last month, the jury awarded them $9.75 million in damages, obligating us taxpayers to pony up for the city's failure.
SOS -- The Still Growing Special Operations Scandal:
Last summer, the elite Special Operations Section of the Chicago Police Department saw the indictment of four highly decorated cops. Police Officer Jerome Finnegan and members of his unit are charged with home invasion, robbery and the ripoff of drug dealers they were investigating. Along the way, they allegedly robbed and terrorized people who were not drug dealers but simply immigrant workers who kept cash in their homes. Did Internal Affairs know about the allegations? You bet. Did it promptly and aggressively investigate? Absolutely not. Is the scandal going to get worse? Count on it.
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you've got a serious problem in your city when your 'elected' leaders do all that is possible to cover these things up. they certainly aren't going to give a damn about your life or safety over their political career.