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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
hmmm since I think Im the only other one that mentioned the pledge I will guess that was aimed at me. All I said was that non believers rant and rave about their rights like we dont have any. I never said whether I agreed or disagreed it should be there.
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Generally, when someone goes out of their way to not point you out by name, it's because they're trying to address what you are saying without singling you out. In my case, I was addressing both you and anyone else who may feel the same way you do.
However, it looks like you would like to talk about this so lets talk.
Don't give me this "all I said was..." line! This is exactly what you said:
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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
...and as for the pledge....that crap makes me sick....its perfectly ok for a non believer to say THEIR rights are being stepped on for having to say "one nation under god" but yet if WE get upset that OUR right to say it is coming under fire we get labled as forcing our religion on people....
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I'll let people decide for themselves whether this sounds like a personal endorsement or not.
However, what you are saying is that it makes you sick to think that it's okay for a non-believer to support the
First Amendment, particularly the
Establishment Clause, while you (as a believer) trying to get the government to sanction your religion, you "get labelled as forcing our religion on people..."
Now, I agree with you that this is sliding off topic but I think it would make an excellent thread of its own...
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as far as the "founding" of this country....The pilgrims that settled here came here after fleeing England,and going to Amsterdam first, so that they were free to practice the religion they wanted without persecution of the King of England. That was their purpose in coming here...TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION UNHINDERED. So Im not entirley clear what your point is?
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My point is that a bunch of malcontents hanging around a piece of land does not a country make. The foundation of the
US of A is the
United States Constitution, which you seem to abhor. You make it sound as if you'd prefer a more
theocratic country...