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Originally Posted by KnifeMissile
I can't believe how stuck you are on the notion of "proof." The lack of proof against existence is not evidence for existence. This has been demonstrated, repeatedly. Why does it repeatedly come up? What's with this obsession?
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OK. I've tried to be nice, and it's not working, so I want you to read this part of the post very, very carefully. I am not trying to prove that there is or is not a god. I am not telling you that you have to prove that there is or is not a god. I am saying that if you cannot PROVE your position, you should not be a JERK to those who disagree with you. It's another way of saying "Stop being a damn jerk" without being so blunt about it.
I don't have an obsession with proving that there's a god, especially since I have significant doubts that there is one.
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Insults are so subjective. You say that you don't mind people being insulted as long as the it's the idea that's insulting them and not the words. Well, I don't think "delusion" is a pejorative. I don't think "ridiculous" or "proposterous" are pejoratives, either.
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Well, from where I sit, calling religion ridiculous is asinine. Until you can provide concrete evidence that you are right in YOUR belief, then it's absolutely jawdroppingly stupid of you to say that someone else's well established and ingrained belief is ridiculous. That's not to say they're right. You don't have to think they're right. But try putting it more intelligently. "I don't think you're right about God" is much less of an asshole thing to say than "Your religion is ridiculous."
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Is there any word that can be used, here, that holds the same meaning?
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Try "I don't believe in god, and here's why." Gee, you might even get people to listen to you instead of concentrating on how pissed off you made them if you did that.
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I understand that you disagree so I'm wondering, exactly, how far you'd go if you were to make a similar statement. How would you word this statement so that the burden of offense is on them?
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I don't believe in god. I have issues with some of the stories in the bible. For example. . . .
See how that invites dialogue a lot more than "everything you believe is ridiculous?"
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I was raised a christian and was able to question my religion. Therefore, I'm wondering why others who were raised similarly are unable to question theirs.
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Maybe they don't want to. Who cares? Not your problem. Live your life, not theirs. Athiests love to bitch to high. .er. . heaven about how the christians want to impose their horrible god beliefs on everyone else. Well, the door swings both ways. Practice what you preach. It's fine not to believe in god. But quit trying to convert the masses lest you become guilty of the same bullshit you accuse them of.
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I understand why you cut out so much context since, frankly, these posts are getting too long. However, do you recall the part of my post that claimed that I listen to people regardless of how much they insult me?
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That's admirable. Not everyone is built like you. And even if they did listen to you despite hurling insults at them, doesn't mean it's OK to hurl insults at them.
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I've accused you of some things but I've never accused you of making an ad hominem attack. To what are you referring when you say this?
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My apologies. That was Yakk, not you. I can't keep this thread straight anymore
