shakran

See, this is the kind of crap I was talking about. Baseless insults hurled at the left simply because it's the left. This is the kind of garbage that doesn't need to be in here.


You're right. We don't understand the value in leaping headfirst into a volcano with both eyes shut while yelling "I'm the decider!" simply because you said you'd do it in a moment of stupidity.

More vague insults that don't add anything to the discussion. Again, this is the kind of crap that needed to be cleansed.



Yet a third instance of insulting those of us who aren't Bush Brownnosers. Just because we think the conservatives are wrong does not mean we're either radical liberals or socialists. But then you know that, don't you, and you just couldn't pass up the opportunity to slam the left with cheap, thoughtless pronouncements that break down completely under even the slightest scrutiny.

The only issue on his plate that he's paying any attention to is Iraq. There's plenty more on his plate, but he's ignoring that.

No, it is not. It's based on a shaky tower of credit card debt, and is not at all sustainable.

As has been covered before, if you get rid of millions of good, well-paying middle class jobs and replace them with jobs at Walmart, that is not growth.

Relative to what?


We are still talking about the united states right? Oh sure, for now the deficit is a little smaller than last year's. That's kinda like saying the Rockies aren't as big as the Alps. And when you realize that the deficit is cumulative and is then called debt, and you realize that the national debt is still hurtling upward at breakneck pace, you realize that claiming the deficit is smaller really doesn't mean anything.

You're trying to prove a negative. Because we haven't had any attacks, that MUST mean what the president is doing is working. But correlation does not equal causation. Just because we have had no attacks concurrent with Bush's policies does not mean Bush's policies are causing that no-attack condition. After all, the sun has not gone supernova in the past six years either. Would you suggest that this, too, is thanks to Bush and his leadership?

First, that's a VERY VERY big if, something along the lines of "if he fills in the grand canyon using only tweezers," and second, managing to stabilize Iraq does not mean he had a good presidency. He has a lot more to answer for, and we cannot forget that the ends do not always justify the means.


The hell we don't. Iraq just happens to be the biggest thing to complain about at the moment.

*Bush has also been an economic disaster (you can claim the economy's booming all you want - - go talk to the homeless shelters and the salvation army and all the other charities and they'll tell you something VERY different. Go talk to the libraries who's budgets have been slashed, and the schools who have 30+ kids to a classroom, and the formerly middle class people who are reduced to working at poverty wages because of downsizing, and you'll no longer be able to honestly claim that the economy is great).

*He has been a civil rights disaster (the patriot act, the Guantanamo prisoners, the secret CIA operations that are kidnapping innocent civilians from around the world and ferrying them to torture chambers in places such as Syria, Pakistan, and Iraq so that we can question them under torture while claiming that WE didn't actually torture them),
*he has been a scientific/medical disaster (stem cell bans forcing millions of people with diseases that could potentially be cured via stem cell research to rot away in the interest of protecting some frozen embryos - - -embryos which, btw, will be thrown away by the thousands by fertility clinics),
*a free press disaster (I'm not just talking about his media inaccessibility which, btw, is inexcuseable for a government official who is answerable to the public, but also his refusal to speak out against the FCC's anti-democratic, pro corporate lifting of media ownership restrictions),
*an energy disaster (pushing ethanol and hydrogen, the two "alternative fuel" technologies which are more resource intensive and environmentally damaging than gasoline,
*an environmental disaster (wants to drill the ANWR, pulled out of the Kyoto treaty, pretends global warming doesn't exist),
* a foreign policy disaster (damn near EVERY nation is pissed off at us now, sabre rattling with Iran and North Korea - we are very lucky that Korea got sensible in time and realized the path of disaster they were allowing Bush to lead them down),
*and a disaster relief disaster (New Orleans still looks pretty much the way it did a week after Katrina hit)

In short, this president is an all around disaster. I've tried but I can't think of one thing he's done well or competently. He got off to a good start with Afghanistan shortly after 9/11 but he lost interest in them quickly (which is why the man who attacked us is still on the loose, and Bush claims he doesn't really care about getting him). Instead he went after Iraq, where precisely none of the terrorists who attacked us were from, and left the real terrorist hotbed to fend for itself.

We have PLENTY to complain about - the only question is knowing where to start.