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The_Dunedan · 02-13-2007, 02:20 AM

Then why was "Koresh thinks he's Jesus and rapes babies!" not brought up until the Feds had been forced to acknowledge that both the "Koresh is stockpiling machineguns!" and "Koresh is cooking meth!" excuses fell apart?

If the issue was Koresh allegedly shtoinking 12-year-olds, then why was this not brought up until the previous two justifications had fallen apart? Furthermore, if child molestation really -was- a problem, why was the Mt. Carmel siege carried out by Federal authorities, who have no jurasdiction in such a case? Lastly, it should be remembered that at the time the legal Age Of Consent in Texas was 14 years, meaning that Koresh's alleged sexual contact was in all likelihood entirely legal.

The Feds went through three sets of excuses for their conduct at Mt. Carmel, two of which turned out to be utter horseshit and the third of which is debateable at best. Koresh and the Branch Davidians were not in posession of any unregistered Class-III Weapons, so no NFA tax was owed. There was no Meth lab in the Mt. Carmel church kitchen. Allegations of child-molestation have never been proven, may have been legal if they -did- occur, and were not Federal jurasdiction to begin with.

Finally, the shoddy coverup of the incident, initiated under Clinton and perpetuated by Bush, has left the Federal account of the Mt. Carmel Massacre so full of holes and lacking in credibility that anything relying upon the "official" version has a -long- way to go in establishing its' bona fides. The Feds have repeatedly been caught hiding or suppressing evidence, such as the pyrotechnic CS grenades which may have started the fateful fire and which were "lost" for a number of years until being recovered during a second Congressional investigation. There's also the matter of the church's front door, which mysteriously disappeared after the fire despite being made of metal and having been photographed in situ in the immidiate aftermath. The door is crucial because it would establish (and the photos bear this out) that BATFE agents fired first, an allegation supported by Davidian testimony and press film of the raid in progress. And of course, there are the BATFE's infamous "FLIR tests" which used the wrong guns, wrong ammunition loaded with the wrong powder, and under the wrong conditions in order to "debunk" the FLIR-camera evidence of Federal forces firing on the Davidians who tried to escape the fire. Further, independant testing which duplicated the weapons, loads, and conditions on the day of the fire, however, has duplicated the FLIR results. This is the biggest problem with the "official" version: the Feds have lied to often and so blatantly about everything -else- that happened at Mt. Carmel: why should I believe them about Koresh thinking he was Jesus and raping 12-year-olds?

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02-13-2007, 02:20 AM	#31 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	Then why was "Koresh thinks he's Jesus and rapes babies!" not brought up until the Feds had been forced to acknowledge that both the "Koresh is stockpiling machineguns!" and "Koresh is cooking meth!" excuses fell apart? If the issue was Koresh allegedly shtoinking 12-year-olds, then why was this not brought up until the previous two justifications had fallen apart? Furthermore, if child molestation really -was- a problem, why was the Mt. Carmel siege carried out by Federal authorities, who have no jurasdiction in such a case? Lastly, it should be remembered that at the time the legal Age Of Consent in Texas was 14 years, meaning that Koresh's alleged sexual contact was in all likelihood entirely legal. The Feds went through three sets of excuses for their conduct at Mt. Carmel, two of which turned out to be utter horseshit and the third of which is debateable at best. Koresh and the Branch Davidians were not in posession of any unregistered Class-III Weapons, so no NFA tax was owed. There was no Meth lab in the Mt. Carmel church kitchen. Allegations of child-molestation have never been proven, may have been legal if they -did- occur, and were not Federal jurasdiction to begin with. Finally, the shoddy coverup of the incident, initiated under Clinton and perpetuated by Bush, has left the Federal account of the Mt. Carmel Massacre so full of holes and lacking in credibility that anything relying upon the "official" version has a -long- way to go in establishing its' bona fides. The Feds have repeatedly been caught hiding or suppressing evidence, such as the pyrotechnic CS grenades which may have started the fateful fire and which were "lost" for a number of years until being recovered during a second Congressional investigation. There's also the matter of the church's front door, which mysteriously disappeared after the fire despite being made of metal and having been photographed in situ in the immidiate aftermath. The door is crucial because it would establish (and the photos bear this out) that BATFE agents fired first, an allegation supported by Davidian testimony and press film of the raid in progress. And of course, there are the BATFE's infamous "FLIR tests" which used the wrong guns, wrong ammunition loaded with the wrong powder, and under the wrong conditions in order to "debunk" the FLIR-camera evidence of Federal forces firing on the Davidians who tried to escape the fire. Further, independant testing which duplicated the weapons, loads, and conditions on the day of the fire, however, has duplicated the FLIR results. This is the biggest problem with the "official" version: the Feds have lied to often and so blatantly about everything -else- that happened at Mt. Carmel: why should I believe them about Koresh thinking he was Jesus and raping 12-year-olds? [/threadjack]