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Originally Posted by powerclown
I hear what you're saying, but you should understand something:
It is a soldiers job to fight for his country and his people, to the death if necessary. This is a soldier's purpose in life. It is arrogant, patronizing and condescending to imply that a soldier doesn't know what he is getting himself into when he signs up for service. Don't you think soldiers want to live, too? Do you think they join the service because they want to die a horrible death in a foreign land, away from friends and family?
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How many soldiers thought that Iraq had direct links to 9/11 when they signed up? It's not condescending to explain that everyone was fooled. I think that most soldiers sign up to protect their country. There are no soldiers in Iraq defending the US right now. Not one. They have been fooled or confused or indoctrinated. If it makes me arrogant to point that out, then maybe arrogance is what the soldiers need to hear in order to figure out what's really going on. I don't think I'm arrogant, I know I'm a realist. If soldiers can't take the sting of truth, how can they be expected to take the sting of battle?
Also, I know a lot of military officers. I'm not operating in a vaccum. I talk with my friends in Iraq all the time, and they will, on occasion, get read the riot act. I had one of my friends start to tell me how they scared the shit out of some Iraqi family one night, and I calld him on it immediatally. I think a lot of soldiers are scared and confused, and I think that a lot of the bullshit rhetoric that comes out of the white house is accepted as gospel by the troops because they want to believe that what they are doing isn't a waste. That's what we professionals call denial.
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Originally Posted by powerclown
I wonder why it is that you don't want american soldiers to die?
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A meaningless death is probably the worst thing for any soldier. My grandfather, one of my biggest role models, was a career army officer. He was a big part of my development of the understanding of concepts like honor and sacrafice. When a soldier dies meaninglessly, it is as if their honor has been stolen from them. I can't imagine anything worse for someone who regards honor highly.
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Originally Posted by powerclown
What do you know better than the fighting men know?
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I'm seperated from groupthink, and you're trying to make an appeal of emotion argument, which is a fallacy. Support our troops doesn't mean our troops are always right.
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Originally Posted by powerclown
Have you experienced war yourself? Do you know what it's like?
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I've been shot in the leg with a pistol, but no. I've not been a soldier, because I know that I would be required to answer to a president who usually doesn't know jack shit about war, but that's a personal position. I don't hold others to that specific belief necessarily. This has more to do with allowing the fog of confusion to allow our defensive fource to become a personal military to a few corrupt people.
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Originally Posted by powerclown
Who are you to tell a soldier he doesn't know his business?
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I'm Willravel, and I'm right. Don't pretend like a soldier is automatically right because he's a soldier, as that insults both of our intelects.
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Originally Posted by powerclown
Are you sure you just don't want them following the war orders of their commanders? ARE YOU SURE?
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I want them to defend the country as they want to do. Iraq has nothing to do with the defence of our country. When the want to fight in Iraq is based on misconceptions because of continued lies....well you can see the death count. You can see the fighting continue. You can see terrorism on the rise. Nothing good has come of this. We are killing more people than Saddam would have had he remained in power.