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Originally Posted by filtherton
You're going to have to explain to me how universal access to healthcare and education will take away any incentive for people to make advances in any market, because i don't see it.
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The question was asked 'how will socialized healthcare be paid for', and hasn't been answered yet, but I will give you my opinion on the answer, since you've asked. Education is already socialized and we can see how that's turned out, right? Healthcare will be much the same way and this is why.
There are two main reasons, currently, why someone enters the medical profession. That is chiefly from a desire to help people, but a secondary purpose is, or used to be, for a substantial amount of personal income/wealth. Let's face it, becoming a doctor is hard work. Practicing medicine is even harder, and thats without all of the state government meddling from beginning to end. An individual should expect to be financially rewarded for hardwork and personal contributions to society. By socializing, or universifying, healthcare, you will have to institute a government plan so that everyone gets access to healthcare, but it is going to have to be paid for. How is it going to be paid for? Through the government, obviously, and that means a tax......for everyone. So you will end up paying for someone elses medical care, just like I will, and everyone else. With the income for the entire medical field now coming from one single source (government), what's going to happen? costs are going to be fixed. No longer will you be hearing people saying they want the best doctor/surgeon for their wife or child because money is no object. You will see a 3 to 6 month scheduling issue for nearly every non-immediate critical impending death issue. With fixed costs, there is no incentive to be the 'best' doctor, since being the best will not place you in a higher income bracket, thus no incentive. The only ones you will see remaining in the medical field are the ones who are there because they WANT to be there. What will then follow is a serious shortage of doctors, nurses, surgeons, etc. To deal with this, standards will be lessened, medical care will then become substandard. Why should it be any different? Government does not run anything well. This is historical fact.
Now, split your question apart. I didn't say that ONLY universal healthcare would limit ALL markets. I said that 'socialism' would limit all markets, BUT, universal healthcare WILL affect all medical related markets like equipment manufacturers, suppliers, pharmas, and it will trickle down to educational facilities as well. Without the incentive to be financially successful, you will retard the entire field and all related markets with it. Again, one need only to look at the public education system to see the results that socialism will bring about.
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Originally Posted by Ch'i
Why do you equate fascism with socialism?
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they are equated by structure alone. Call it a group thing. With socialism, the 'pact' is supported by forcing the populace to support it. With Fascism, you are forcing the business' to support it.