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Originally Posted by roachboy
the idea that in a socialized health system "other people pay" is one that really encapsulates the effects of years and years of rightwing political/ideological domination and which demonstrates the claim that controlling how issues are framed is fundamental.
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then pray tell, who pays for socialized health care?
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universal health care is tied to the costs of education: one major obstacle to implementing universal health care is the amount of debt people accumulate who go into med school. paying this debt back has an enormously coercive function in that it locks the perspectives of many who graduate from these schools into the existing income structure. but the practice of medicine does not presuppose access to great wealth, and nothing about its quality is guaranteed by the accumulation of great wealth.
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Place this blame where it actually belongs.....the health insurance industry.
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the last ditch claim the right can make against this is "well, yer talking about socialism"---which is horseshit--we are talking about a coherent social system--this is not a coherent social system. two of the most fundamental aspects of that system----social reproduction and health maintenance---are organized in ways that have nothing to do with any of the principles this places claims as central. and the conservative response? run away. take the money and run, boys, things are getting hectic.
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any social system that legislates, regulates, and (en)forces the populace at large to contribute their own money to all services, whether they object or not, is nothing short of socialism/communism. No matter how you try to spin it, a spade is a spade, and socialism is socialism. The end result you'll be facing is the exact same thing you're all bitching about right now.....seperated classes by economics.