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Originally Posted by roachboy
the situation in which israel operates was fundamentally redefined after 1967. questions linked to its origin seem interesting but irrelevant in explaining post-1967 problems.
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I agree.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
since 1967, you have israel in a colonial position and its exercize of power a central motor---THE central motor--in creating conditions that spawned the types of tactics people call "terrorism"---the big marker being the black september action in 1972.
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This is not correct and I disagree.
The PLO, whose stated goal was the destruction of the state of Isreal through armed struggle was founed by the Arab league in 1964. That is 3 years before 1967.
In 1964 the Isrealis were not in control of the West Bank, they were not in control of Gaza, they were not in control of the Golan Heights, they were not in control of the Sinai, they were not in control of East Jerusalem, and they had no control or accees to the Old City of Jerusalem including the Western Wall and Temple Mount.
It is, therfore, not correct to say that the events and results of the 6 Day War were what "
spawned the types of tactics people call "terrorism" "
There must have been some reason for the creation of the PLO with those goals.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
if you want to end such actions, undo the conditions that generate them.
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You are right. But, what are "the conditions that generate them"?
It is not what occured after the Six Day War it is the existance of the State of Israel.
Unfortunately, as you and willravel showed, not necessarily but by your arguments (and I am not at all saying that you agree with the following), the only way that these issues will be resolved for most of the arab world would be for Isreal to just dissapear.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
like anything else, these conditions are the results of choices made by human beings in complex situations, and they can be undone by human beings. there is nothing necessary or given in advance about any of this.
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I agree, but this only works when the poeple who are involved are at least more rational then they are emotional (at least 50% plus any fraction rational to 50% less any fraction emotional).