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Originally Posted by Infinite_Loser
I see that you've taken what I stated and miscontrued it (More straw man). Nowhere did I tell you that you shouldn't care. I dare you to find where I stated as much, or even insinuated as much. The argument that I shouldn't care because it doesn't affect me is a two way street, as it can also be applied to your view on gay marriage.
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I beg to disagree. I understand what you're saying, I believe, however I disagree with the implications. To wit:
I don't understand why you care if gay people can get marrierd because it doesn't affect you, and you don't see why I care about gay people getting married, because it doesn't affect me. That's the point you are making. So, neither of us should care, on that basis alone.
Fine.
Now, I argue that gay people are being denied civil rights because they can not enter into civil marriages. Neither of us should care for direct personal reasons, but I will side with the position which seems to give other people the same rights I have, and which has no affect on me. Why would you fall on the other side?
Which comes back to the question that
bastid put forth, I seconded, and
Frostbyte thirded.
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What planet are you living on? If you can find me one country-- Either past, present or future
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Originally Posted by U.S. Declaration of Independence
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."
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I would argue
ratbastid's statement is a pretty decent interpretation of the above.
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Can you produce a list of tangible harms that would come from not legalizing gay marriage? Nope. But you have claimed you could. What we can both produce, however, is a list of intangible harms which we believe might occur if/if not gay marriage is ever universally legalized.
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gilda got to it before me, and it's only been stated about fifteen times in the thread so far.
So, back to this:
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Originally Posted by rb
Okay, so say more about how gay marriage "undercuts the foundation of society".
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