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Originally Posted by Mrs Master
Gilda, correct me if I'm wrong but I've read some of you other posts and you have refered to your wife. Is gay marriage legal in your state? I hope I dont seem too forward but if you are married or want to be, what was/ is your main motivation? I ask this being in a non christian hetrosexual relationship. I have been known in the past to dismiss marriage as over rated and just a piece of paper..... ( I could never bring myself to wear white or marry in a church thats for sure). But saying that, I am engaged, and the romance and sybolism of our commitment is the only thing that may eventually drive me to a civil union.
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No, same-sex marriage isn't recognized legally where I now live. Grace and I were married religiously in a Unitarian church in California, and later had a second ceremony for her family at their family shrine. We have both a Christian and a Shinto marriage, but not a legal one.
In California we were Registered Domestic Partners, which, starting in 2005, grants all the same rights, privileges, and responsibilities as marriage within the state. RDPs were initiated in 1999, then upgraded in late 2004.
For us, marriage is about declaring our love for each other and pledging to forever join with each other in front of our family and God, becoming partners in mind, body, and spirit.
Keep in mind that there are two types of marriage, religious and civil. The laws and legal rulings address solely the civil version. Churches are already free to marry or not marry whomever they choose.
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Originally Posted by NCB
I have no problem with being called a bigot. Most everyone is a bigot in some form or another. Me, I feel that homosexuals are deviant and that their lifestyle is inferior to mine.
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I'm not a bigot. Neither are my wife or sister, my brother, and so far as I know, most of my colleagues. I think perhaps your perspective might be skewed a bit by your being a bigot yourself to the point that you want to justify that by trying to find it in everyone. Either way, it isn't justified.
I'm curious, though. How is my lifestyle inferior to yours?
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Filterton and other libs think that Christians are inferior and stupid for believing in fairy tale.
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I so enjoy it when people tell me what I believe based on one piece of information like my political leanings or religious affiliation. I'm a liberal, but I don't think Christians are inferior because, hey, I'm also a Christian. There are a good number of us around.
Not all liberals, as you seem to imply here, are atheists, agnostics or non-theists.
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Thus, that makes them bigots too. Throwing out the bigot term is just a common tactic for people with limited communication and rhetorical skills
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Nah, there's a difference between believing that Christianity is false and believing that Christians are inferior for believing in it. I've known a good number of people who weren't Christians but nevertheless had no animosity and no feeling of superiority towards Christians. My sister, the Buddhist, for example.
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Originally Posted by hulk
What are you people scared of? Marriages/civil unions have been legalised in many western countries. There's been no horrible collapse of society, no rampaging homos seizing control, no sudden massive epidemic of gay children.
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Did you know that the vast majority of homosexuals are born to heterosexual parents? It's true. Clearly having heterosexual parents is the main cause of homosexuality. Oh sure, most kids come out hetero, but why take the chance? Let's ban heterosexual marriage today!