Originally Posted by Ustwo

You are not a person to lecture on 'facts'.

Originally Posted by Ustwo

Move Israel to....well anywhere in the mideast, do you think it would really matter? They talk about the destruction of the Zionists, not liberation of holy sites.



The video is from before any military campaign, its a few years old now.

<b>host is ignored because when someone takes the time to tear him appart point by point he ignores it and quite frankly many of us think he has 'issues' that need professional help. This is the same guy that thinks the government is posting in these forums and that GWB was involved with human sacrifice.</b> You can't expect me or anyone else to waste time going over link after link, often which have almost nothing to do with the topic at hand, are quoted out of context, or come from sources with a known and proven bias and expect us to take 'their' word for it.

Originally Posted by Ustwo

Oh christ, are we arguing if Iran is trying to become a nuclear power again?

Might as well argue that the sun doesn't set in the west. This sort of blindness is what really disgusts me about tfp politics. <b>Its not arguing philosphy or point of view, its arguing if Bush is involved in human sacrafice (thanks host), if 9/11 was some vast conspiracy (thanks will)</b> or if Iran is trying to develope nuclear weapons (thanks many).

If the issue is does the US use torture on prisoners, my answer is I dont know, but I don't care, and I hope we do. That is my point of view on the subject, I have my reasons I'd be more than willing to share.

As for Iran, all I can say is go Israel! We have been handcuffed by those who wish to thwart the war on terror any way they can to the point we are unable to act.

Originally Posted by Ustwo

<b>host you neglected to link the 'Bush is involved in human sacrafice' post, that was a hoot, and why your 'Bush lost me' post got such a reaction from me, I don't believe you.</b>

You also think 9/11 was a government plot, yet Bush lost YOU after 9/11?

Come on host we are not the uneducated Amish like people you once accused us of being

Its no wonder you don't think we are at war with Islamofascists as you think we have done it to ourselves.

That was the question here, nothing about the pretzeldent.

And I do owe you an appology. <b>I did miss the three posts you made outside of politics/parinoia in the last 2 years that didn't directly involve politics (according to the search function). This may seem sarcastic since it has been only 3 out of 488,</b> but since those three are somewhat recent I assume this is an ernest effort on your part.

Originally Posted by willravel

Yes, some people took some home and some of that steel was given to FEMA later. From interviews, though, basically no steel, and very little debris at all were recovered.


Ustwo, apparently you no longer can contribute anything in Paranoia or Politics besides flame bait and personal attacks. You don't respond to people who question the logic of your posts (see "Ustwo, why do you condone torture?" that still goes unanswered, presumabaly because you have no reasonable explaination), you defend your personal attacks with more personal attacks, and you generally laugh at people. When I ask why, you suggest that you have somehow already proved me wrong, and this is the resulting victory dance. Now if you have conctributed to this thread like Dilbert, Cynth, Samcol or myself, I'd probably let it fly. This is Paranoia, after all, and there is some level of leeway here that you wouldn't find in Politics. You haven't. I can go back page after page and find personal attacks and flame, and almost no arguments to the subject at hand. Have you read the FEMA report? Have you read the 9/11 Commission report? Have you read the NIST report? It's obvious that you haven't. Let's look at your last few contributions:
All flame and personal attacks. No actual content. No arguments. No points.

You've tried to latch on to Dilbert or Cynth's points as if they were your own,
then you used them as a platform on which to shout from.

I would appreciate it if you made some effort to become an active member in the discussion. I would aprpeciate it if you were to argue points based on merrit instead of personal attacks and flame. I would appreciate it if you were to show some respect for the other members of this community. I would appreciate it if you made an effort to follow the rules and guidlines of TFP. Let me know if you plan on making an effort in any of these areas. Until you do, you will continue to be scoffed at by the contributors, be they liberal or conservative. It's a damn shame, too. We all know how bright you are. You could have wonderful contributions, like you do outside of Politics and Paranoia. You could be a benifit to everyone here.


//threadjack

Originally Posted by Ustwo

Oh really? Will just because I think you are delusional doesn't mean I didn't give the devil his due and check out all the senerios. I have looked at it quite deeply as 9/11 effected me personally, so you can take your assumptions and stick it under your reynolds wrap coif.