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Originally Posted by Elphaba
It justs keeps coming back to "lying about a blowjob" or some other Clinton "sin", when all of the discussion topics here can't be legitimately argued any longer with the conservative talking points du jour. The Politics forum is being deliberately undermined by those that can't or won't provide a source to justify the OP, or a legitimate argument in response to a challenge.
I believe that we have new members and returning members that are participating in this forum once again. My question to our Politics mods is how you are making determinations of an infraction and any points assessed given the current rules and posts? It is not obvious to me, and perhaps new members are equally confused? Politics never should have been or needs to be the horror that it is painted in other Fora by the mods there.
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New members and returning members have chosen to participate in this forum for a brief time, and every topic dead ends in the same way, by the same inappropriate posts, as has been true since my first day on tfp.
Many of the members that participate in Politics have made the effort to rise to the level of expectation the Hal and his new mods have set for us. Some members continue to believe that they are either exempt from the rules, or that they can tip-toe to the line and piss over the edge, without consequences.
I respectfully suggest that those that continue to attempt to keep the Politics Forum in turmoil, are not only destructive of one forum, but have not shown respect for TFP as a whole.
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Elphaba....you have captured my impressions very well. I am relatively new here and initially thought I found a place for reasoned and rational political discourse, even though some opinions, IMO, are over the top and without any basis of fact.
I was amused when I received a 20% penalty for stating what was obvious to many who follow the threads here when I suggested that UStwo generalized about liberals: "I apologize for stooping to the UStwo level. I shouldnt generalize about ALL conservatives here".
The fact that UStwo chooses not to respond to many posts that are directed at a specific comment he makes is also amusing to me. I have experienced this myself. (I ams still looking for an explanation of how Carter "weakened the US" or how Rice explained Bush's "aggressive" response to the threat of terrorism for 8 months"
). I choose to believe he has read them, but just doesnt have a response that is supportable by the facts. *shrug* . It does stiffle debate, but it also makes his position less credible to those who follow the discussion as observers rather than participants.
I will continue to post here for now (even if I get another 20% penalty for this
) and if if my posts dont generate response, so be it. I will still get the "facts" out as I see them, for the readers to consider.
But I am increasingly skeptical of my initial observation that I found a place for reasonable discussions of the politcal issues of the day by people with opposing political perspectives, and so will be looking for a new forum in which I can contribute and learn.