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Old 09-21-2006, 08:52 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by willravel
The leader of our country preaches the benifits of war, and talks about how our wars were given a big okay from God. Bush thinks he can talk to God, and he's going to war over it. Still think our leaders aren't preachig war?

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Edit: Silly me, I forgot to mention a few New Testiment verses tha you asked for.

Matthew 10:34 (Jesus speaking) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Matthew 11:20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: (Jesus condeming entire cities to death for not believing in Him)

Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death."
I have a feeling you don't know what 'upbraid' means. It basically means to use harsh words. There are alternate translations to this as well...

ASV: Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not.

BBE: Then he went on to say hard things to the towns where most of his works of power were done, because they had not been turned from their sins.

DBY: Then began he to reproach the cities in which most of his works of power had taken place, because they had not repented.

KJV: Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:

WEY: Then began He to upbraid the towns where most of His mighty works had been done -- because they had not repented.

WBS: Then he began to upbraid the cities in which most of his mighty works had been done, because they repented not.

WEB: Then he began to denounce the cities in which most of his mighty works had been done, because they didn't repent.

YLT: Then began he to reproach the cities in which were done most of his mighty works, because they did not reform.


I'm sorry Will Jesus did not 'condemn' cities to death.

As for
Matthew 10:34 (Jesus speaking) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

The sword was not a physical sword, it was a metaphorical one, for Jesus was telling the disciples that when they preach his word, it will cause strife at first as some will believe and some will not and they will often fight and even kill each other. So he was saying the words of the disciples will cause destruction as people will fight over religious beliefs. It’s a far cry from from saying go kill people who don't believe.

Also if you take the christian tradition, it wasn't the christians doing the killing for their beliefs but being killed and driven out, in the same passage as the sword reference...

Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.

So what he is saying is they will kill you for preaching christianity, but do not fear death on earth, fear not being saved.

and finally...

Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death.


Yes we know, God hates fags. Homosexuality was considered a horrible sin.

So lets get this straight, on the one hand we have Christians, who speak harsh words to unbelievers, are willing to be killed for preaching their faith (but not kill others), and they think homosexuality is a capitol offense.

Then we have Islam which wants to wage war with all unbelievers and preaches genocide vrs the Jews.

Now that I look at it this way Will, how could I have missed the moral equivalence?

Edit:Oh and I forgot, the last execution for homosexuality that got world attention was in .... Iran.
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