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Originally Posted by dc_dux
Its deja vu all over again.
Think back to November 2003 and a CBS mini-series on the Reagans.
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Since you are unlikely to get jumped on the way I do upon mentioning Clinton or Teddy Kennedy, I'll fill in the blanks here.
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Originally Posted by shakran
Nice point, but we need to be fair about this. I beat Ustwo up pretty badly every time he answers an attack on Bush with a "well yeah but CLINTON did. . . " comment.
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No, that's me.
Specifically,
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Originally Posted by shakran
No, I don't. What I question is why you and others keep bringing Clinton up when someone points out wrongdoing by the current administration. I don't care if Clinton was a serial killer while in office - that wouldn't excuse the current candidate from responsibility for his actions. The fact that you guys keep bringing Clinton up shows me that you KNOW there's no defense for what the Bush administration has done, and you're trying to misdirect people so that they can't SEE that there's no excuse.
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I don't give a damn what happened yesterday or who did it. Whatever it was doesn't make what someone is doing today any more or less right. So while the republicans were assholes about the Reagan movie, it just doesn't matter in the context of the current discussion.
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You get points for consistency, even though I hugely disagree with not paying attention to past abuses. Even superbelt chimed in with some good stuff.
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Now here's where it gets annoying - - -none of us has seen the documentary, so we don't really KNOW if stuff is made up or not. Sure some Democrat congresscritters are saying stuff is false but 1) can we trust them (they are, after all, politicians hunting for votes) and 2) even if it were false, who cares? It's a movie. Documentaries are not held to the same standards as regular journalism is. If you don't believe me, go watch a Michael Moore video some time. The man makes a few good points, but it's not exactly balanced coverage.
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It's terrifying to agree with you so much. Especially when you at least hinted that Michael Moore's "documentary" wasn't.
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
First, my jockeys arent in a knot over this ..I just thought the hypocrisy of the OP and the subsequent follow-upp was amusing.
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Then this should be a laugh riot:
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Originally Posted by Elphaba, 10/01/2005
The argument that "my guy isn't/wasn't as bad as your guy" solves nothing.
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Originally Posted by roachboy, 10/2/05
It seems to me that the sole function of these recurrent "yeah but what about clinton..." threads are indices of the extent to which conservatives who continue to support the administration--a dwindling number, btw--seem to be doing so because they cannot deal with the dissonance that thinking critically about what george w bush has done would entail.
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Originally Posted by pan6467, 11/13/2005
2 wrongs do not make it right. Yet, I assume that the way the keep using Clinton and Gore and others it justifies Bush's lieing and thus justifies the war with the never ending changing of reasons for going.
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Originally Posted by ratbastid
I'd LOVE to see some actual argumentation around here. But as long as certain factions keep themselves safely on the "Oh yeah, well you!" card, there's zero chance of that.
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