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Old 07-23-2006, 04:09 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
The resulting chaos from the insurgency in Iraq rests squarely on the shoulders of all those who criticized the Iraqi portion of the war on terror. The political pressure placed on the administration by those who simply hated/disliked/disapproved of the Bush administration are to blame. The other part of the blame does lie with Bush himself for not listening to the ground commanders input, blindly accepting the recomendations of Rumsfeld and not committing enough ground forces to provide for the security of Iraq after baghdad and Hussein were captured.
Bush announced a new strategy of pre-emptive war in response to the
9/11 attacks.

The documentation that I posted here:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...05&postcount=3
.....flies in the face of your argument that:
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
...... The political pressure placed on the administration by those who simply hated/disliked/disapproved of the Bush administration are to blame.......
....so does this:
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http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0330nj1.htm
PREWAR INTELLIGENCE
Insulating Bush

By Murray Waas, National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Thursday, March 30, 2006

.........For one, Hadley's review concluded that Bush had been directly and repeatedly apprised of the deep rift within the intelligence community over whether Iraq wanted the high-strength aluminum tubes for a nuclear weapons program or for conventional weapons.

For another, the president and others in the administration had cited the aluminum tubes as the most compelling evidence that Saddam was determined to build a nuclear weapon -- even more than the allegations that he was attempting to purchase uranium.

And finally, full disclosure of the internal dissent over the importance of the tubes would have almost certainly raised broader questions about the administration's conduct in the months leading up to war.

"Presidential knowledge was the ball game," says a former senior government official outside the White House who was personally familiar with the damage-control effort. "The mission was to insulate the president. It was about making it appear that he wasn't in the know. You could do that on Niger. You couldn't do that with the tubes." A Republican political appointee involved in the process, who thought the Bush administration had a constitutional obligation to be more open with Congress, said: "This was about getting past the election."

The President's Summary
Most troublesome to those leading the damage-control effort was documentary evidence -- albeit in highly classified government records that they might be able to keep secret -- that the president had been advised that many in the intelligence community believed that the tubes were meant for conventional weapons. ....
Iraq is Bush's war.....an avoidable, illegal, war of aggression.....no different than the grounds that the allies used at Nuremberg in 1946 to execute the Nazi officials who waged illegal war of aggression from
1939 until 1945.

If the evidence is wrong, if Bush is "misunderstood", there was recourse to absolve him in the Senate Select Intelligence Committee
investigation on handling pre-war Iraqi WMD intelligence handling....
and the report on that has been deliberately postponed by Bush's republican supporters in congress. Bush would not allow the Robb-Silbermann investigation to investigate those same issues at all, as their report plainly states.

No, dksuddeth, to hang the blame, like you did, on those who saw through the lies and crimes that resulted in the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, is an unconscionable, cynical, or an uninformed act on your part. Stop apologizing for and defending the war criminal in the white house. You may find my words offensive, but they've cause no one to die needlessly. The POTUS can not make such a claim; the record speaks for itself, and history already reveals the depths that our president has dragged us down to, in the name of his phony, propagandized war.

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