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Originally Posted by xepherys
Whoa, wait a minute? Blacks don't get their asses kicked for being black? Since when? Women don't get harrased or assaulted because they're women? Where the hell do YOU live?
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Are those groups denied entry into the military because they might get beaten based on that status? Are assaults on blacks and women common in the military? That is the context in which that statement was made.
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Hmmm, crazy... what are you denied that's a constitutionally protected right?
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Well, first I said rights, not "constitutionally protected" rights.
However, equal treatment under the law is a constitutionally protected right. See the 14th amendment, section 1.
Specifically, marriage, which is a constitutionally protected right in the US under the 14th amendment according to Loving v. Virginia, and the more than 1000 rights and privileges that go along with it.
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Oh that's right... nothing. Not employment nor housing.
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My wife and I have on several occasions been denied housing as a result of our being a homosexual couple.
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Gays and lesbians fall in the same category as mexicans and blacks, in my book, from a minority standpoint. You can't constantly insist on being equal (the same) while constantly trying to prove how different you are. Gays and lesbians (some, not all) are in the same boat. Many falunt the difference between being gay and being straight, and then wonder why people look at them differently.
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I hear this a lot, but I don't see it much. I do the same things with my wife and with my marriage that heterosexual people do. I make casual references to my wife. I have pictures of her on my desk at work. We hold hands in public and sometimes I'll give her a kiss goodbye as we're parting after lunch. If that is flaunting homosexuality, then the vast majority of opposite sex couples are flaunting their heterosexuality.
Sure there are the flamboyant types, but they are not representative. Most of us want to be treated the same. What I do with Grace is no more flaunting my sexuality than any heterosexual woman who does the same with her husband.
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You can't just go over there and date any old Japanese girl since many have father's who'd rather have family members die honorably than have a daughter marry a white guy (especially an American).
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I happen to be married to a Japanese woman. Her father, a Japanese-American man has no problem with two of his daughters being in relationships with other women, one with a white woman.
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Sure, it's not ALWAYS like that... just like you haven't ALWAYS been turned down for a job or housing or a raise or education. Everyone gets the shaft sometimes by some people somewhere. Get over it.
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No doubt. When this happens, it should be identified as wrong and opposed. When the same group is disproportionately targeted by institutionalized prejudice, that prejudice should be opposed on that level.
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I find your quotes amusing, Gilda. The first, I don't see how it's applicable. It sounds like tolerance and acceptance are what you think is right, but you aren't patient for it to happen?
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You've misread it.
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The second is just a sad truth. Better to be discharged for being gay than for beating your wife, I'd think...
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Are those two things somehow similar in your mind?
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Are you offended by all gay jokes on the principle that they are gay jokes?
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No. The intent matters a great deal.
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At any rate, I jsut don't get "minority" argumnets for the most part. For every time you've been slighted for not being straight, I bet I have for not being female, not being black or not being something else I'm not. EVERYONE has people who are biggoted against them. Life goes on, Gilda...
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I very seriously doubt that.
I'll never understand the claim that straight white males are persecuted. It's easy to dismiss arguments in favor of protecting equal rights for everyone when you are a member of the group least targeted by prejudice.
Gilda