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Originally Posted by roachboy
so let me get this straight...
over the last page or so, this is effectively what i saw:
try to take "our guns" and the result will be worse than civil war---anarchy, the war of all against all resulting in lives that are nasty brutish and short....
nice, folks.
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say that, instead of 'taking our guns', it was the government invading and arresting people for protesting, or talking bad about the government. Maybe it could be that the government was confiscating all of the radios and tv's and the only newspaper to be distributed was called 'the republic of americas daily government news'. It could be ANY assault against those rights and freedoms supposed to be guaranteed by the bill of rights, but no longer are. would you still feel the same? What if the 13th and 14th amendments were repealed?
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Originally Posted by roachboy
the assumption behind the emphasis on law abiding gun owners in rural contexts primarily in arguments against any form of gun control works when the assumption that these folk are sane also works. and in general, there is no reason to think otherwise.
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And by 'sane', should I assume you mean that to be 'law abiding enough to just hand over all handguns. after all, we're not asking for rifles and shotguns, right? But could they not be next on the list?
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Originally Posted by roachboy
but in this thread, there is reason to think otherwise: the arguments against gun control that depart from a threat of wholesale, indiscriminate killing as a response are sociopathic.
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what is sociopathic about upholding your constitutional rights? and indiscriminate is an incorrect word. IF gun grabbing were to occur, we would not be going house to house shooting people at random. We WOULD be stopping those that came after us though, and then we'd go after the ones that ordered it.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
they make the worst possible case for your position because they allow for a pathologizing of gun ownership---which i assume is a point that you who advance these positions are trying to counter. so i do not see what you imagine yourselves to be accomplishing by heading down this path.
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In other words, you would recommend that people should just let the authorities take our guns, right? we should not violently respond, only peacefully protest.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
i do not accept the argument that they make you free or anything else--any more than owning a gas grille makes you a physicist.
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If people have guns, are they not 'free' to live in the relative safety they are capable of providing themselves?
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the shift in my position is in that--i have come to understand that what guns signify in an urban environment is particular. so any controls should be enacted at the local level.
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Why should the 14th amendment apply to everything except guns?
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but i have to say that had i come to this thread wondering about how to modify my position on the matter, it would have hardened the other way.
i hope these represent a very small minority view.
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Minority, so it would be easier to enact what you think would make us all safer and more free?