Here's some paranoia for you...
Ustwo, I hope you didn't take my using you as an example of the need for ditching pre-conceived ideas (in myself as well as others) as an attack on you in particular. You just happen to be vocal, so it's easier to use you as an example. Really vocal.
On the quoting thing... I definitely think that while supporting your position is important... unleavened amounts of quoting verbatim from 10 sources convinces no one, as most of us do not have the time to read all of that in a
discussion thread. As an
example only, and not to point at anyone.... our most verbose poster, host, has points that I can agree with (and some I don't, of course), but even when I agree, I don't want to wade through all that. That's not his post, that's quoting someone else's. Perhaps a bit less quoting and a bit more discussion would be in order in those cases.
So no one wants to ditch the liberal/conservative crap, eh? I suppose it's comfort food at this point...
EDIT: Nevermind. Thanks, BigBen, I knew you were brilliant!