shakran

First off, wanna try not posting 200 posts in a row? Learn how the quote= function works.

Had I been a journalist back then, I'd have reported on the facts. The japanese were obviously defeatable, since we defeated them. We got hit hard, but not hard enough to knock us out. FWIW, even though we knew it was coming and let it happen so we could get into the war, the Japanese DID attack us - so there WAS justification to go after them. You keep conveniently forgetting that Iraq (and Vietnam for that matter) did not attack us, and did not even pose a threat to us if they decided to attack us.

Comparing WWII and vietnam/iraq is apples and artichokes.





Don't be dense. How are we supposed to bet? You don't know my name. I don't know yours. How are you going to send me the money when I win?



I didn't refer to them as that either. Let's not forget, however, that WE were invading THEIR homeland. While I'd never condone torture, it's pretty understandable that these guys would be pissed off about it, don't you think? And since not every culture holds the same values that we do, perhaps we shouldn't be surprised when they do things like that to people who have royally pissed them off.


Bullshit. All was lost. That's why we lost. When you get right down to it, whether you and I support a war doesn't have anything to do with military operations. Me protesting a war is not going to cause our bombs to kill fewer people. We're talking about the US military, the best-trained fighting force on the planet, and possessor of the best killing technology on the planet, against a bunch of guys that, comparitively, are fighting with sticks. If we'd been serious about winning Vietnam, we'd have won vietnam.

In the first place, Cronkite did give a shit. In the second place, it's difficult to predict how people will react to a story. In the third place, sometimes you have to run with the truth EVEN IF bad things will happen as a result. We are not here to make everything happy and fluffy and nice. We are here to deliver the news, not disneyland.




Funny how an overwhelming majority of the service members I've met wish vietnam had never happened, wish they'd never been there, and are still pissed off at the government for forcing them to go there. Of course, a lot of those vets are in VA hospitals still suffering from debilitations they picked up in that fun little war, so maybe they're not as hoo-rah gung ho as the guys hoisting glasses at the VFW.


Well let's look at that quote. . .

So even if it is "full of shit" as you so nicely claim I will say, then it's full of shit on my side. It's widely seen, THOUGH PERHAPS INCORRECTLY.

Actually while Tet was a military victory for the US, it also showed that the other side had a damn near inexhaustible supply of men and women ready to replace the ones we killed.

And by the way, I won't say it's "full of shit" but I will say that responsible journalists / debaters don't use wiki as a primary source since it IS written by a bunch of random people who may or may not be qualified to report on what they're writing about. So you can use it if you want, but you take the risk of using inaccurate statements in your arguments.

And regarding your "It's just you" reply to Rekna, wrong again Ace. Pan's already posted agreement, and now I'm posting mine as well.