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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
You've clearly shown that you've fallen in to the trap of stereotypes. Do all gun runners wear cowboy hats out in San Fran?
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I suppose it's possible.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
yes, and bar the windows and all that other junk. It's illogical to put the onus on the law abiding citizen to do everything in the world to deter the criminal when it's quite simple to put a sign out front that says protected by smith and wesson...and mean it.
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The odds of deterring MUST be greater with obvious defences, instead of hidden offenses. That only makes sense. If the law abiding citizen doesn't want to put up bars and security doors, then let them take responsibility for thier safty in another way, such as trying to push gun control legislation.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
Thats too bad you don't support it. You'd get rid of alot of gun using criminals that way. You'd stand a better chance of reducing gun violence with the death penalty heavily used than you would trying to remove guns.
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I'm not a man of weak morals. My moral code strictly forbids state execution (or any execution). If you want my thoughts on THAT subject, feel free to join me int he "why people hate texans" thread. I just keep inviting you into threads. Hehe.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
You missed the point entirely. Will, not being harsh with you but you're being obtuse about it.
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Are you willing, then, to say that the only true defensive function of a gun is that it is in fact offensive? If not, then I'll have to continue to be obtuse about it. If you admit it, I'll be acute and move on. Yes, many things can be used as weapons, but their primary function is not as a weapon. More meat clevers are used on meat than on people. Fertelizer is more often used for crops or flaming bags on porches. A baseball bat is more often used for baseball. Guns are intended to put holes in people or animals, to the end of harming or killing. It's function is waht sets it apart from the above items.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
that some situations REQUIRE a gun because some criminals aren't scared of a knife or a ball bat.
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Have you ever been tased or mased? They are really, really uncomfortable. Even guns with rubber bullits are better than the real thing.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
full registration might have its uses but you could end up with a new orleans type situation. granted, its hypothetical but I would prefer to err on the side of the citizen and not the government. advocating full registration is just making things one step closer to a totalitarian nanny state. Trying to hold the manufacturer liable isn't a brilliant idea either. For one, it's just another version of trying to bankrupt them out of business to push a 'ban guns' type atmosphere. Two, You still have to put the liability on the person that used a gun in a criminal manner and going after the manufacturer does not do it. Now, you have a case against the dealer IF, and only IF, you can prove that he knowingly sold the gun to someone that wasn't licensed for it.
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Then we are stuck in a situation of escelation with the criminals. If neither the government nor the manufacturers can stop what's going, on then what cahnce do we have? We get a handgun, they get an automatic rifel. We get bulletproof vests, they get armor peircing rounds....etc. This is not a path to peace. This is not a path to a solutuion.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
The criminal is already NOT afraid of the police when he can break in and subdue/kill the victim without fear of being shot at.
I still don't understand why you make it the citizens responsibility to build a fortress to deter the criminal. You've said before that if a criminal is determined to, he'll make it happen. you say without guns that we really have nothing to fear. tell that to my wife when she's facing a man with a knife. tell your kids that they have nothing to fear when someone comes running at them with a baseball bat or an axe.
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As we've stated, these weapons - knife bat, axe - are clearly less dangerous than guns. It's not a matter of having
nothing to fear, but of having
much less to fear.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
The gun is an offensive weapon in the hands of a criminal. It's a defensive weapon to someone who uses it to stop a criminal.
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Okay, time to argue semantics....
offence: is the action of attacking or engaging an opposing team or antagonist.
That's what you're doing. You're engaging a criminal with your gun. It's the very definition of offence.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
You're being obtuse again. The seatbelt is a device designed to help protect you in an accident. The handgun is a device designed to help protect you against a criminal.
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Handguns are designed to protect you from a criminal? I'll need proof on this one.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
No, it would be a place where the majority said nobody needs a gun. If they felt THEY didn't need a gun, then they wouldn't have one.
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They feel that no one in their city should have a gun legally, and voted as such.