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Originally Posted by Locobot
Mojo apparently you prefer the narrative delivered to you by people who have never been to war... that's your right as wrongheaded as it may be. It's also the right of true American patriot heroes like John Kerry, John Murtha, and Jane Fonda to question the actions of THEIR country. If true American patriot heroes like Jane Fonda and John Kerry hadn't stepped up and told America what was actually going on in Vietnam we'd in all likelihood still be sending our young there to die. Ultimately of course what changed U.S. opinion over Vietnam was the switch to a random lottery draft system (1969 I think) that didn't just pull conscripts from minority and economically destitute social strata. Who was the paper tiger in that instance?
Mojo your belief that wars just occur "for right or wrong" is pretty disturbing. Decisions were made by real people at every step to escalate these conflicts (I recommend "Fog of War" if you haven't already seen it). It also takes real people, American patriot heroes, to end these conflicts.
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Kerry an American hero? A proven and admitted purgerer, an admitted liar, who turned on his fellow country men is a hero?
Hanoi Jane and her spit in the face of the GI's mentality, providing aid and comfort to the enemy at a national and surreal level, is a hero?
I don't care for politicians or their agenda's/means/nor motives. I do care about the troops, my fellow country men who found themselves in a terribly fucked situation in Nam, and now so in Iraq. But I am not delusional and I realize that we are past the point of no return, you people are fighting for a moot point and ideal, there cannot be retreat from this, it would be so monumentally disasterous that I actually question your reasoning, and I guess this is me being a typical neo-con, your patriotism.
How is my "for right or wrong" mentality disturbing? It is amoral, and it only signifies that fact this is out of all of our hands, and again we are past the point of no return.
And not to be rude, but I don't know if you understand the paper tiger line. But the reasoning (and reality) of the statement is that if you bloody America's nose we cut and run, liberals in this country have done nothing but drive this home as a reality for all of our enemies.