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Originally Posted by aceventura3
I actually blamed weak management.
Management gave too much to the unions. Management took what they thought was the easy road.
I acknowledge there is greed in management. Do you acknowledge greed in the unions?
There are failings on both sides, but ultimately management has to be acountable.
People often complain about management, but then do not offer alternatives. It is easy to say I will pay $20/hr. to an American when a non-American can do the exact same job for $2/hr. In reality the people who say that never would. Talk is talk.
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I have often posted unions were a problem, but in the 80's that changed and management has since become the greedy partner.
Ultimately, it is not management nor unions that are responsible but both. Both in that if management has gotten so strong and greedy the union needs to protect the worker and strike...... or if the union has become to strong management needs to demand restructuring of the union.
The issue is right now the unions are far too scared to strike for fear their jobs will be gone. Thus management has more control than ever.
Go ahead take every factory overseas and pay all the workers $2. You know what, FUCK THE BLACKMAIL, DO IT!!!!!!! You can't because we are the largest market and in doing that you will effectively destroy yourself and everyone else. It's why Honda, Nissan, Toyota and so on built factories here and are paying in wages and benefits almost better if not better than Ford, GM, and so on. (I know this for fact because I have relatives working at both GM in Ontario, Ohio and at Honda, Marysville.) The Japanese car companies are thriving not necessarily because of better product but because of the way management and the workers work together.
Another issue is healthcare. If healthcare wasn't so out of control and we actually fixed the fucking system instead of letting it continue to spiral, more companies like GM would be financially solvent.
It's not management's fault that healthcare is spiraling, it is not that they gave away too much. It is not the unions fault healthcare is spiraling and they only took as much as management would give them. It is the fucking greed of the healthcare industry and it has been destroying us and will continue to do so.
But there are ways to stop healthcare without government interference. You take GM, Ford, and the largest companies and they tell the healthcare industry "we will only pay this for this amount of coverage.... you charge more screw you we'll find someone else."
The problem there is that the industry says "no screw you noone will match you" and management of those companies are looking for ways to cut all they can (except at upper management levels) and so management instead of being firm with Healthcare, says, "OK.... it's all the retirees and workers who won't budge and it's their fault. We'll match pay your premiums."
Overall, if either of the sides (Healthcare, management, the workers, government (Local, State and FED.), truly wants to allow the US to become strong and financially and infrastructurally healthy, all sides need to work towards that goal and make sacrifices.
Sad thing is, everyone is so scared and so greedy and so protective of their own little niche they refuse to work together and instead blame each other for the misery of all.
And the GOP (Federally) has taken the side that they refuse to do anything.... which is basically the same as saying "I have treatable cancer, but I am scared to have treatment ...it'll cure itself."
The DEMS (Federally) have no true selling points because they lack any insight and true leadership on the issue.
Healthcare doesn't care because they are getting what they demand and they don't truly care what it costs.
Management doesn't care because they make their millions and have their golden parachutes.
The workers have lost care because they are just trying to survive.
And State and Local governments do what they can but they can't truly do much because they lack the funds.
It's time for change and time to do better or we will truly be done. Every side is being a fucking spoiled brat over the matter (some worse than others as some are just trying to protect what they do have).
One group can't change it, 2 groups may be able to start the ball rolling and we'll survive for a little longer, but it takes each of those groups to go to the table and figure out a way to not just survive but to become truly healthy again.