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pan6467 · 12-06-2005, 01:25 PM

I love how the Right keeps saying "if you don't agree with us you hate America". Kind of like saying, "your opinion doesn't matter because you're wrong and the country would be better off without you."

Neither side hates America, if they did they wouldn't truly be here. The problem is each side has a differing view as to how to help society. The Dems. lean more towards social structure and trying to build a better future. The GOP tend to lean toward big business and a status quo at the least (more often they work for a regression).

It basically comes down to how you believe society and the nation can be better. Both sides make good points, both sides have issues where they excel. Hence being moderate. The nation is primarily centrist, a study once showed 30% diehard Dems 30% diehard GOP and 40% middle of the road socially liberal, fiscally conservative.

The media and members on each side would like you to believe they are in the majority of every issue, but it is impossible. The only reason they do this is to try to get a majority of that 40% so that they can win elections. Noone wants to feel in "minority" so the psychological factors play into the politician's hands and they use it every way they can to their advantage.

If all you do is read one side and form your opinions on just that one side, then yes, the other side to you will always be wrong. And if you really get all your info from extreme radical biased media (Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, Moore, Springer, etc.) then your views truly becomes very one dimensional and myopic. And the inherent hate shows.

The people who speak and yell the loudest only do so to intimidate and persuade, facts be damned.

It's like listening to the Right claim the Dem's rely solely on the black for support and how the party sold the blacks a bill of goods and blah blah blah....... yet they don't tell you they did the same with the religious right in their party. "We'll gladly be pro-life and Bible, if you give us your support.... just support all our other issues." Both sides do it equally and just as well as the other.

The penduluum swings though and polls and attitudes show that it has swung about as far right as it will so now it will start swinging left again. That's just the way this country is and how it has always operated.

IMHO history shows Left = change Right = regression ........ Change comes and starts moving too fast then regression is needed to counterbalance it. Look at our history and you'll see as things change we regress then swing back and gain more change.... and so on. For the progression Teddy Roosevelt (and in today's world he would be a liberal) made came the regressions with Taft and Wilson. Change came with FDR and then Ike came along and regression, JFK came and change occured, Nixon came regression..... and so on.

But never has the hatred and partisan politics been this bad..... so the fear now becomes one party gaining the momentum naturally and holding onto it unnaturally, through fear, trying hard to sell the idea that the other side is unpatriotic and "hates America", and so on. But even that won't last long as it is eventually the biggest sign the penduluum and control is being shifted to the other side.

(And yes, the Left did this also when they knew they were losing momentum and the penduluum was swinging the other way.)

12-06-2005, 01:25 PM	#20 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I love how the Right keeps saying "if you don't agree with us you hate America". Kind of like saying, "your opinion doesn't matter because you're wrong and the country would be better off without you." Neither side hates America, if they did they wouldn't truly be here. The problem is each side has a differing view as to how to help society. The Dems. lean more towards social structure and trying to build a better future. The GOP tend to lean toward big business and a status quo at the least (more often they work for a regression). It basically comes down to how you believe society and the nation can be better. Both sides make good points, both sides have issues where they excel. Hence being moderate. The nation is primarily centrist, a study once showed 30% diehard Dems 30% diehard GOP and 40% middle of the road socially liberal, fiscally conservative. The media and members on each side would like you to believe they are in the majority of every issue, but it is impossible. The only reason they do this is to try to get a majority of that 40% so that they can win elections. Noone wants to feel in "minority" so the psychological factors play into the politician's hands and they use it every way they can to their advantage. If all you do is read one side and form your opinions on just that one side, then yes, the other side to you will always be wrong. And if you really get all your info from extreme radical biased media (Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, Moore, Springer, etc.) then your views truly becomes very one dimensional and myopic. And the inherent hate shows. The people who speak and yell the loudest only do so to intimidate and persuade, facts be damned. It's like listening to the Right claim the Dem's rely solely on the black for support and how the party sold the blacks a bill of goods and blah blah blah....... yet they don't tell you they did the same with the religious right in their party. "We'll gladly be pro-life and Bible, if you give us your support.... just support all our other issues." Both sides do it equally and just as well as the other. The penduluum swings though and polls and attitudes show that it has swung about as far right as it will so now it will start swinging left again. That's just the way this country is and how it has always operated. IMHO history shows Left = change Right = regression ........ Change comes and starts moving too fast then regression is needed to counterbalance it. Look at our history and you'll see as things change we regress then swing back and gain more change.... and so on. For the progression Teddy Roosevelt (and in today's world he would be a liberal) made came the regressions with Taft and Wilson. Change came with FDR and then Ike came along and regression, JFK came and change occured, Nixon came regression..... and so on. But never has the hatred and partisan politics been this bad..... so the fear now becomes one party gaining the momentum naturally and holding onto it unnaturally, through fear, trying hard to sell the idea that the other side is unpatriotic and "hates America", and so on. But even that won't last long as it is eventually the biggest sign the penduluum and control is being shifted to the other side. (And yes, the Left did this also when they knew they were losing momentum and the penduluum was swinging the other way.) __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 12-06-2005 at 01:30 PM..