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Originally Posted by willravel
I admit to being ignorant to many factes of the gun industry, but how in Gods name can law makers let this slide? Manufacrurers should only be able to sell to people who have gone through strict licensing and a record of every gun should sold or traded be kept, les the distributer lose his license, and be investigated for being an accomplice to murder. There should be NO dealers without a license. I naturally assumed (obviously a mistake) that those in charge of the gun industry would be responsible. Silly me.
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I agree with you completely, honestly I really do. The fact sadly is, is this the case in point, NO. In a perfect society yes this would be a completely safe assumption, but in the real world this Sadly is not a safe bet. That's all there is to it. No one is above doing the less then reputable thing, No One. That is life as we know it. I can't be sad about that, because no one is perfect. Every one has there flaws and some ones' flaw is this. Is it expectable NO, but is it probable that at least some one is going to do the less then right thing in this given situation....Sadly, Yes. We are human, and because of this imperfect.
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Originally Posted by willravel
It's mot necessarily a hit. If someone who has sociopathic tendencies (someone who is capable of murder) really wants to rob a house without trouble, he'll kill everyone in the house as quickly and quietly as possible. Do you need a license to own a silencer? (I'm honesly asking, I don't know) He'll kill the man of the house first, probably in his sleep, and then kill the wife, then the oldest child, etc. Once they're all dead, he can take what he wants. Yes, this is not likely to be the norm as far as theft or home invasion, but it'll happen. If you're talking about someone who's willing to have a gun fight in your home, this is what you could be dealing with. Having a gun won't stop someone ready to pull the trigger.
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If you think that, 1 a person comes into my home in a manner that will allow them to kill me first is not a Hit you are sadly mistaken. I say this, because 1 a silencer is COMPLETELY illegal in EVERY STATE in the US; because they're sole purpose is to kill with the utmost amount of stealth as humanly possible. This robber is not here for the valuables (because as you said most thefts are done when the home owner is not at home) they are here for the purpose of murder. How are you going to give the example of a simple robbery taking place with the home owner home? A simple robbery will yes take place when the home owner is not home why, because if you get caught you are only facing a robbery charge not a double or even triple homicide charge, and this is the easiest time to commit a robbery, no one is home; no witnesses no hastle no problems. You even admitted this yourself by saying, "In actuality, most home invasions happen when the house is empty. Rarely will a home owner be in the house when the thief is in the house." Any one who has sophisticated tendency’s (as you yourself said), will rob a home at the easiest time humanly possible, when NO one is home with the smallest amount of trouble. Hell to even get a silencer is one completely hard task, but to get a gun capable of fitting a silencer is even harder. You have to get the barrel of said gun machine cut to have the grooves to fit a silencer. Silencers screw on, NO gun in the US comes manufactured to fit a silencer NO gun that was ever designed for the general populations use. Yes guns for Special Forces/ FBI/ or any government agency are outfitted for this purpose, but NO gun for the general population is outfitted to handle a silencer. You have to specifically look for a gun capable of handling a silencer. Yet another reason for this being not just your average robbery but a Hit.
[/QUOTE=willravel]This is a test. If San Francisco sees gun violence go down, then maybe Oakland and surrounding areas will join in. Then a larger area, etc. etc. If you can get a large enough area to have gun bans, then gun violence will drop. Gun running in the US would be extremly difficult.
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Hopefully gun violence in a home will drop, but will violence in a home in general drop? I think not, violence (in your home) in a different area will go up. Then you will have what I sated in my first post happen. Violence due to knives (just and example) will go up, and I doubt that a law requiring every one in a given area, will have to surrender any sharp object in there home will go into place. You MUST stop those who commit violent crimes in peoples homes, not the means they commit them by. Remember this is a law prohibiting home owners in a given city to own a hand gun, and gun shops in said city to sell hand guns. Not a law to stop guns sales completely, and not in the given state. You can still drive at Most an hour in Any direction and get a hand gun.
[/QUOTE=wilravel]I appreciate that. We do live in a world of necessary evils. If, hypothetically, there were a way to have all guns dissapear at once, would you be for it?
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Honestly Wilravel, Yes I will Completely and Utterly will be for this world. Wars will cease to happen and I will be out of a job. I will happily look for a new job just to lower the chance of my friends or my own death to be drastically lowered. I am more likely to die before my 50ith B-Day because of my given profession, should I chose to stay in this profession. My job in a nut shell is to kill people should the need arise. That's the sad, but true truth. Any one in the military should realize that. If your in an organized Fighting force, your Primary job is to fight; bottom line. The people that Most often Wish for the need to fight and have guns go away, are the Very people whose jobs it is to be proficient in using those guns. We all wish for a better world every time we wake up in another country away from our family, friends, and homes. Will that world come to be a reality any time soon......I (with the utmost confidence and Sadness) think not.
As a side not, I'm Very happy to live in a country that will allow me to have a conversation about conflicting ideas with another adult without violence or any derogatory remarks. I thank every one who participated in this discussion, especially you Willravel as you are the one who is the most opposed to my opinion. I'm very happy to find a website that will support this very action. This gives me a warm fuzzy. Keep them coming Willravel, I look forward to waking up in the morning and seeing what you or any one else has to say.
Dragonknight (Frank for those who know me)