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Originally Posted by willravel
Just because you're willing to bet a statistic doesn't make it so. You're willing to bet 90% of the guns that are used in violent crimes are the ones being sold out of the back of cars in dark alley's? I'm willing to bet you're wrong. Guns come from gun manufacturers. Gun manufacturers sell those guns to gun dealers, and those dealers are required by law to have a license to sell guns, no matter what state you're in. There is no way to circumvent those two steps. All the guns on the street, legal or illegal, come from gun manufacturers, and thus gun dealers. If you're talking about people that steal from gun ships....sorry, they wouldn't exist in a place where guns are illegal. The supply would dissapear. The only way to get guns would be to import them from elsewhere. That's the only catch to outlawing guns in San Fran. If Guns were outlawed in California, and the borders were monitored, then gun violence would go down. It's that simple.
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True and not true at the same time. ""A federally licensed firearms dealer has to fill out paperwork and submit forms to us," Steel says. "They can make illegal sales and, obviously, some do, but they run the risk of getting caught and we usually catch up with them."
Most licensed dealers who sell illegally do so in large quantities and attempt to mask their sales. ATF records show that most of the recovered guns that have obliterated serial numbers and that were used in crimes originated from an illegal sale by a licensed dealer.
Dealers with no license usually don't go to that much trouble. They leave no paper trails and just how far within the law they operate is unknown In states such as Texas, where there are no civil restrictions on gun sales, the question rarely arises." (
http://www.chron.com/content/chronic.../gunpart2.html)
Also as the topic of choice (I admit that I've gotten off track a little myself) is "San Francisco bans ownership of handguns". This only applies to the residences of San Francisco and only the within the city limits. Now Frisco residents look like easy targets to any criminal with half a brain cell. Now Joe Shmo as a criminal has no worries about breaking into a home, because there's no chance that he/she can die from it. If this person is intent on breaking and interring they are not worried about driving 30 minutes out of town to buy a gun.
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Originally Posted by willravel
May I put fourth a hypothetical home invasion with a gun scenereo?
A man breaks in through my bedroom window and shoots me in the head in about 2 seconds.
How did this happen? I included the element of surprise. If someone wants to kill you with a gun, they will. I'll bet your gun is in a drawer or under a bed or in a closet or something, yes? Well, a criminal with more than two brain cells will know this too and will bet on it. They'll probably hit you, the man of the house, first and as quickly as possible. They'd probably break in at night when you are going to be waking up groggy. They'd shoot you quickly then move onto the next most likely person to have a weapon: a spouse or oldest child.
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Okay this is a hit, not your average murder out of anger. This was planned and then executed. No defense to this, I die. Now is this the case all or most of the time, I say no. Most likely your murder out of anger involves breaking in finding the person you intent to kill then killing them. Are most criminals going to break into the bead room with the smaller windows that are harder to get through or the larger more accessible windows i.e. living room dinning room; or there going to come into the house via a route that offers the least resistance like a back door. If myself, my wife, or my security system (hell even a dog) hears any of this I know. That gives me all the time in the world to get and load my gun. Now the story ends differently, if I die in this story I died with that one more defensive measure. That one more measure means that much to me.
[/QUOTE=willravel]Goping back to my friend who was shot in the face...even if he had a gun in his car and had years of training, he still would have died. The murder pulled out the gun and shot in less than a few seconds.[/QUOTE]
This was just a senseless murder and I'm sorry but no amount of preparation can stop that. Now does a law that bans buns in homes or the sales of guns in a single city have anything to do with this? No. There’s no telling where this gun came from. Also is California going to ban handgun sales in the whole state, not if I live to be 200. As long as there's a state that still sells hand guns there will be handguns in every state. Yes some guns are banned across the nation but will all guns be banned ever? I think not.
Finally I do agree with you that guns have no practical purpose other then destruction. Even if there shot for sport at non living targets those targets are destroyed. Honestly I wish guns were'nt necessary, but I feel that they are.