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smooth · 09-14-2005, 11:04 AM

stevo,

the only thing I still don't understand is why you think that "liberal" policies have failed anyone. mainly because we haven't ever really implemented any liberal policies. pehaps some warped versions that appear on their face like what liberal oriented experts might suggest we do, but nothing closely approximating what those same liberals would have implemented themselves.

it's just really discouraging that you wouldn't evaluate idea on their own merits instead of what you think they are packaged inside of.

I mean, just your repeated disparaging remarks of welfare are troubling.
To my knowledge, even conservative experts have written that implementing New Deal policies were far from liberal...they sustained capitalism, for one thing, which was rapidly losing currency with the bulk of the population. If it weren't for welfare, we'd have a system of government much more like all those places you consistently rank as no-gos for you--places like canada, france, sweden, or *gasp* cuba.

that was the state of affairs then.
and interestingly, we came close to eradicating poverty before a bunch of changes were implemented (which, ironicly, would have destabilized capitalism if you can draw those linkages as to why, I invite you to do so yourself) and experienced some of the most growth and prosperity this nation has witnessed.

but welfare didn't teach all those white people dependency somehow?
more whites are on welfare than black people, but it's always the black welfare mom that takes the brunt of criticism.
I thought people pretty much understood by now that jobs are leaving the country rapidly and the ones left behind aren't paying enough to raise families on. I don't see how any of that is caused by someone being lazy or dependent on the government for food and shelter.

09-14-2005, 11:04 AM	#144 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	stevo, the only thing I still don't understand is why you think that "liberal" policies have failed anyone. mainly because we haven't ever really implemented any liberal policies. pehaps some warped versions that appear on their face like what liberal oriented experts might suggest we do, but nothing closely approximating what those same liberals would have implemented themselves. it's just really discouraging that you wouldn't evaluate idea on their own merits instead of what you think they are packaged inside of. I mean, just your repeated disparaging remarks of welfare are troubling. To my knowledge, even conservative experts have written that implementing New Deal policies were far from liberal...they sustained capitalism, for one thing, which was rapidly losing currency with the bulk of the population. If it weren't for welfare, we'd have a system of government much more like all those places you consistently rank as no-gos for you--places like canada, france, sweden, or gasp cuba. that was the state of affairs then. and interestingly, we came close to eradicating poverty before a bunch of changes were implemented (which, ironicly, would have destabilized capitalism if you can draw those linkages as to why, I invite you to do so yourself) and experienced some of the most growth and prosperity this nation has witnessed. but welfare didn't teach all those white people dependency somehow? more whites are on welfare than black people, but it's always the black welfare mom that takes the brunt of criticism. I thought people pretty much understood by now that jobs are leaving the country rapidly and the ones left behind aren't paying enough to raise families on. I don't see how any of that is caused by someone being lazy or dependent on the government for food and shelter. __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman