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Old 09-14-2005, 10:28 AM   #142 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by stevo
And welfare has done nothing to correct the problem. After 70 years of new-deal policies and liberal rule. New Orleans residents are worse off, on average, than the rest of the country.

I'm arguing that welfare doesn't cause poverty, but continues it, in that it doesn't work toward the solution, but acts more as a payout to buy votes. If the welfare system worked, are these the results?
look stevo, I'm not going to turn this into a welfare/anti-welfare thread.

I'm just pointing out that you are missing the boat here.
I understand that you are claiming welfare programs have created a subsistence mentality among these black citizens. But you're wrong to assume that's why they stayed put when the crisis hit.

Evidence indicates the opposite.
I don't understand why you think my scenario is less believable than yours...other than your personal ideology concerning welfare and what you think about liberals and their arguments in general.

The fact of the matter is that minotiry NO residents have been more poor than the rest of the nation for about 200 years.

They haven't recieved a lot of help from the federal government.

They don't have adequte protection from local law enforcement.

The social structures don't respond very kindly to them.

Anecdotally, and from interviews in the news, and from my experience with likewise situated peoples, the more likely scenario is not that people sat on their asses waiting for the government to come save them...and then they died waiting.

What is more likely is that people, to the extent they even realized a crisis of this magnitude was going to happen (and then we have to wonder just how many poor people sit around reading the papers and watching CNN/CSPAN to know that funding for levee constrution has been an issue for decades, & etc.), thought to themselves: the feds don't care, the cops don't care, if I leave everything I own behind, it won't be here when I get back. Even if I do go, where would I go? I got no car, I got no money in the bank. Shit, the best thing I can do is:
button up the hatches and pray for the best...it's what I've done my whole life
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