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Old 08-16-2005, 04:43 AM   #45 (permalink)
pennywise121
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i think, with all due respect peat, that we must be careful to make the distinction between knowledge and intervention. simple knowledge does not necessitate any action or control on the part of a god. we can have the passive observer of previous posts, and still be bound by the knowledge. in other words, we must not mistake effect for cause. the fact that we cannot act outside of the omniscience of a god does not mean that god made us do it. again, the issue falls to the infallability of that knowledge.

moreover, truly free will would carry with it the freedom from any constraints. god cannot simultaneously exist completely separate from our dimension and have omniscience with regards to our dimension. more to the point, however, if we are to draw the line connecting our dimension and another, we cannot give ourselves free will in one without having free will in all, or we have no truly free will. believing we have free will, as in your example, does nothing to change the fact that god is omniscient, even if in her/his/its own dimension of existence.
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