Originally Posted by Elphaba

There is nothing gleeful about any of this, or there shouldn't be. The lives lost have been tremendous in terms of Iraqi civilians, and we are well over 1,800 dead and many more wounded. And the death toll continues.

The motives for going to war with Iraq (and soon Iran?) is what we should all be concentrated on. Were they legitimate or not? Does anyone on this forum believe that we should now take on Iran with the same vague, unproven statements from the Bush Administration that we were given for Iraq?

Once again, Germany's President is saying "no way" to Bush's latest comment that all options, (including first strike I presume), are on the table with Iran.

I would hope that the people on this forum are willing to look at the whole of what has happened without the blinders of party loyalty. Dammit, people! Things are now well beyond simple politics in simple times.