I would love to see a true debate of the issues, but my honest beliefs are that both sides hate each other so much and refuse to admit that the other may have a good idea that they have lost sight of what they truly stand for and how to achieve it.
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"
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