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kutulu · 07-01-2005, 01:20 PM

Since there is no thread on it I thought I'd bring it up. I assume everyone knows what this is about. If not, here is a quick recap:

There was a suspected Al Quieda member living as an Italian citizen. The CIA picked him up and took him to Egypt where he was tortured. Italy is pissed saying we kidnapped him and has issued arrest warrants for all 13 agents involved as well as the guy the CIA took. INTERPOL has issued a global APB for the CIA agents as well.

This brings up a lot of questions:

1. Is it kidnapping? If someone we want is in another country shouldn't we follow extradition laws to get this guy? If this is our policy that we will take anyone anywhere, regardless of local laws how can we expect other countries to abide by our extradition laws when we have someone they want?

2. Do you support taking people to 3rd countries that allow torture? How can we claim moral superiority that we don't torture people if we have no problem placing someone in a 3rd party's custody to do our dirty work?

3. Should the agents be handed over? Are the charges valid?

I agree that it is kidnapping but I don't necessarily have a problem with it under the right circumstances. If it is a country we are friendly with, try to go through a formal legal process. If not, we will do what we must. However, those involved should have the understanding that if they are made then they may have to face the consequences for their involvement.

I do not agree with sending people to other countries where they can be tortured and we stay 'clean'. Either we openly say "Yes we will torture people and if you don't like it, fuck off" or we do not torture anyone for any reason. If sick of this acting superior and being evil in the shadows act. It's transparant and everyone sees right through it.

I don't think we should just hand these agents over but we shouldn't do anything to hamper the investigation and their capture. I compare them to Jack Bauer at the end of this season's 24. He engaged in an illegal operation, got caught, and was able to try to start over somewhere with the knowledge that if he gets caught we won't help him.

07-01-2005, 01:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	CIA vs Italy Since there is no thread on it I thought I'd bring it up. I assume everyone knows what this is about. If not, here is a quick recap: There was a suspected Al Quieda member living as an Italian citizen. The CIA picked him up and took him to Egypt where he was tortured. Italy is pissed saying we kidnapped him and has issued arrest warrants for all 13 agents involved as well as the guy the CIA took. INTERPOL has issued a global APB for the CIA agents as well. This brings up a lot of questions: 1. Is it kidnapping? If someone we want is in another country shouldn't we follow extradition laws to get this guy? If this is our policy that we will take anyone anywhere, regardless of local laws how can we expect other countries to abide by our extradition laws when we have someone they want? 2. Do you support taking people to 3rd countries that allow torture? How can we claim moral superiority that we don't torture people if we have no problem placing someone in a 3rd party's custody to do our dirty work? 3. Should the agents be handed over? Are the charges valid? I agree that it is kidnapping but I don't necessarily have a problem with it under the right circumstances. If it is a country we are friendly with, try to go through a formal legal process. If not, we will do what we must. However, those involved should have the understanding that if they are made then they may have to face the consequences for their involvement. I do not agree with sending people to other countries where they can be tortured and we stay 'clean'. Either we openly say "Yes we will torture people and if you don't like it, fuck off" or we do not torture anyone for any reason. If sick of this acting superior and being evil in the shadows act. It's transparant and everyone sees right through it. I don't think we should just hand these agents over but we shouldn't do anything to hamper the investigation and their capture. I compare them to Jack Bauer at the end of this season's 24. He engaged in an illegal operation, got caught, and was able to try to start over somewhere with the knowledge that if he gets caught we won't help him.