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Originally Posted by Lebell
1) Had current WMD's: False.
2) Republicans AND Democrats believed he had current WMD's: True.
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yeah I wouldn't call myself either of the above but I did think Iraq had a stockpile chemical weapons much larger than we've discovered. I had no illusions that Iraq posessed any nuclear capability however.
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3) Planned to resume production of WMD's when heat was off: True.
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problematic, this was a chalabi-sourced story. Also he could have changed his mind...
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4) Tied to 9/11 Terrorists: False.
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There was a shrill, constant, and highly successful campaign on the part of the Bush admin. to convince Americans that there was such a connection:true
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5) Tied to Palestinian Terrorists: True.
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This is just gilding and you know it. Or are you advocating the preemptive invasion of Libya, Saudi, Eqypt, much of Eastern Europe, Turkey, Iran, Syria, etc.?
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6) US supported him during Iran/Iraq war: True.
7) US sold him pathogen samples prior to this war: True.
8) Bush wanted Saddam out regardless and may have fudged WMD intelligence: Undetermined
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delete 8. It's two different things and as you say: undetermined.
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9) Nigerian Uranium: False
10) Iraq in violation of original UN resolution: True
11) Saddam was secretly selling oil with the collusion of top level French and UN authorities: True
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partial truth. This was also with full U.S. collusion.
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12) Saddam was a mass murderer: True
13) The US knew about 12 and did nothing about it: Depends on what you mean by "nothing". US tried using diplomacy at first.
14) The US has supported other dictators who've committed atrocities against their own people: True.
15) The US has, in the past, fabricated excuses to go to war against soverign nations: True.
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Well we were doing pretty well with this for the last 100 years with the notable exception of Vietnam but that turned out great, right?
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16) US troops have committed certain atrocities such as the Abu Gharab prison scandal.:True
17) Many of the current "freedom" fighters in Iran are foreign nationals who are trying to ignite a civil war between Shiite and Sunni Iraqis: True
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I highly doubt motivations among the resistance in Iraq are so pure as to include the above but also exclude a deep hatred of the U.S.
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As is well known here, my own opinion is that, on the whole, this war is just.
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It was just, but was it the right thing to do? Any leftist reality that holds the possibility of Bush actually being impeached is only as dillusional as the idea, which most Americans (left & right) hold, of a quick exit strategy from Iraq. We're already at 5000+ American dead (including civilians), almost makes you wish we went for the oil eh?