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Originally Posted by Rdr4evr
This is the most important thing to remember. To hell with the politics and bullshit, the fact is that innocent people are dying for nothing. Brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, children. It is these people that are the true heroes of any war, and they should be the ones honored, not those who were responsible for murdering them. The world, especially America needs to see the imagery of the death, perhaps the reality of this war will sway their opinion (although unlikely), and if not swaying the devoted, perhaps it will sway the undecided. Either way, things like this must be shown, the planet needs to know what's happening, not some sugar coated bullshit. Beheadings should be televised, executions should be televised, we don't live in a happy go lucky world, and we must be aware of this.
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Your absolutely right in saying everything should be televised including the attack on the WTC. I would even go so far as to say even death penalty executions should be televised. If we as a society are going to support such violence against mankind then we as a society should see exactly what we are supporting. Censhorship sucks.
That being said, I believe that is perhaps all we agree on. The movie clip was very powerful however, it was censored much like the mainstream media news is censored which makes it no better in my book. It was in no way a fair and balanced view of the Iraqi situation.
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Originally Posted by dragonlich
The war in Iraq may not be clean, but no war has ever been. The American forces in Iraq, by and large, are doing a fine job in the most difficult circumstances. Last time I checked, the insurgents are not winning. Or you must count "killing as many civilians as possible" as winning. Perhaps you think they're winning because they manage to kill a few soldiers? The casualty rate for the US (and Iraqi forces!) is very, very low; it just *seems* to be high, because the US public has been spoiled... As an example of large numbers of casualties, I'd point to pretty much every battle in WW2
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This is very true. One the first day of Iwo Jima alone we had 2400 casualties and 16000 or so casualties by the 5th or 6th day. If that happened today just think of the brewhaw that would happen in the news. The war would be lost for sure. The first Gulf War spoiled everyone. It made everyone think war was quick and painless. It was the first war we took less than a 100 total casualities for the duration of the war and part of them was FF incidents.
War sucks but unfortunately it's a necessary evil at times.
People bitch about Guantanimo [sp, i'm to lazy this morning to spell check it] but during WW2 we incarcerated every Japanese American. I'm not saying it was right or wrong, it was a different time with a different mindset. What I am saying is when we as Americans entered WW2 we planned on winning at any cost. We as a society do not have that steadfast resolve to win anymore. Hell we are even teaching our children losing is ok all in the name of "being politically correct". The will to compete is a very basic human instinct. To teach our children there is no winners or it's ok not to win is wrong and the American society will pay the price someday. In some respects we are paying the price now. This Iraqi situation has gone on far to long. It should have lasted no longer than a couple months. We have the firepower and the technology to do the job and get it over quickly, and I'm not talking about nukes. The will of the American people to minimize civilian casualties has severely hampered our troops in their quest to fulfill their mission and it has cost us the lives of American soldiers and in the long run it has not nor will it save any civilian casualties. It saves civilians over the short haul but the longer it lasts the more civilian lives it costs.
Thats my opinion.
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