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Originally Posted by ForgottenKnight
As USWTO mentioned, God speaks through the Saints. For the Catholic Church, God speaks through the Pope. God speaks to us all the time. The comment shouldn't be that God hasn't had anything important to say for two thousand years, but that most men haven't listened to what God has had to say this past two thousand years.
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I said that most christians believe that god doesn't hasn't had anything important to say for 2000 years. I understand that from the catholic church's perspective, god talks to saints and the pope. I'm not sure about the whole "sainting" process, but from what i gather it is strictly a matter of interpretation on the part of the catholic authorities. I also find it questionable that the pope is the only person god speaks directly to. I wonder what the pope would say if i told him that god told me that god could care less if gays got married? Would he make me a saint? The realist in me believes he wouldn't.
Many denominations of christianity are strict interpretationalists. They take the bible to be the literal word of god. They seem to act as if god dropped that little nugget millenia ago and hasn't had anything to say since.
So, among the majority of christianity you have either 1)God still speaks, but only through this one guy, or 2)God said everything that god needed to say about humanity in the bible.
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Why is Christianity the only one mentioned in this thread? I can see that people wouldn't question or mention Judism as ever since WWII nobody can openly question Judism without being classified a Nazi. Also, questioning the founding beliefs of Judism is the same as questioning many of the founding beliefs in the Old Testiment of Christianity. Thus it's easier (as in one gets to question both Judism and Christianity, and avoid being called a Nazi) for those questioning Judism to just question the Old Testiment of Christianity. But what about Islam or any other religion without trinity, or the religions and cults overrun by the devil? Why are those religions never brought into question? Could it be because they are so easily disproved when confronted with philosophy? Is Christianity the only one ever mentioned due to being so large, or is it the only one mentioned because it is the hardest to disprove with good philosophy?
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I'm speaking about christianity because that is what i am familiar with. Though before you completely pull the "christian bashing" card completely out of the deck, you should know that i don't think any belief system that pawns things off on a higher power or any kind of text belongs in a secular philosophical discussion.
I don't think its a matter of proving or disproving. There is no proof of the existence of god, there is only faith. You can't disprove the existence of something when no proof of its existence exists. You can't disprove something that doesn't have any evidence to refute. You can't even prove that i don't shit golden goose eggs. Furthermore, to believe in christianity you have to rid yourself of the notion that you require any kind of proof, at least "proof" in the scientific sense.
Any kind of system requires axioms. 1+1=2. Belief in a higher power requires an axiom that declares belief in this higher power. 1+1=2, God exists. How can you have a meaningful discussion about reality if you aren't working with the same set of fundamental assumptions?