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Old 06-06-2005, 01:12 PM   #12 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
So if Utah bans abortion, you would accept it from a states rights perspective?

I am for states rights for the most part, and while I can see some potential problems with drug issues and states rights, I think its up to the congress and states to work out without court interfearance.

To me, anything that lowers the federal government interfearance in our lives is a good thing. This includes everything from drugs to taxes.
I already stated if the voters of Utah or any Bible belt state voted to ban abortion, I would accept and respect their right to do so. There is no gray area for me when the voters speak. No "Congress and the state need to work it out", no "federal law prohibits..... (bullshit)", the voters have spoken and as long as it is kept to their state borders.... IT IS LAW.

The ONLY area I would be hypocritical in is if it were a prejudicial (such as banning a groups rights guaranteed them by the Constitution and the Amendments.... such as voting, racial discrimination, age discrimination, naming a state religion, censorship of the press, not allowing the 5th amendment, banning guns, quartering of troops, allowing unlawful searches and seizures, etc.)

The fact that Ohio voted to define marriage bothers me and I found it a waste of money in the ads and morally wrong for the government to have to define marriage, BUT it is law and was voted for by the people and therefore I must respect the law. But you don't see a case going to the SC fighting that law do you? Even though the Supreme court has refused so far to rule on it and precedent has been set where gay marriages are legal in other states, plus states are supposed to honor (I don't believe it is a written law but more a general perception) marriages from state to state.

The gay marriage issue is IMHO prejudicial, however the US Constitution nor any Amendment protects the right of marriage, in fact states have pretty much always been able to have laws pertaining to marriage (age of consent, blood tests, waiting periods, etc.) so precedent for defining of marriage has been a state given right. Therefore, the people have spoken, the vote taken and the law passed.

If the people pass a law that I truly don't like or agree with and it takes away my freedoms (for example turning into a nonsmoking state or a majority votes that strip clubs are now illegal), I have 49 other states in which to live .

BUT do not confuse this with my belief that if a state legislature makes a law that takes away a freedom or choice without the VOTE of the people I am okay with that, because I'm not. If Utah's legislature decides to ban abortion without a vote, that is wrong and should be fought.
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