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Mantus · 05-30-2005, 07:12 PM

Ustwo,

Why do you continue to post such replies. Everything you write reaks of sarcasm and attempted belitteling of the posters you respond too. I know everyone does this now and then, but EVERY single one of your posts is like this...

Anyhoo. In order of your responces.

- Tourture of German and Japanese prisoners, or the detainment of Japanese living in America within camps or any of the other crime the US comited during WWII does not justify any future crimes by any other administration at any other time. Nor do current crimes excuse sins of the past.

- The material is obviously biased. How else would one write an article with an aim of condeming an individual or a group with crimes? Yet it being biased doesn't necisarilly mean it's suspect nor tainted.

- Obviously the above article could be false. Yet this is not the first such case made against the curent administration. IF this matterial holds any truth it's certainly not a good thing. Thus it's worth discusing.

- Rummy sent the prisoners there. Dlishsguy made a perfect analogy earlier.

- So if they behead, we are alowed to sink to their level?

- Guantanimo Bay, prison tourture in Iraq and Afghanistan, sending terrorist subjects to countries that are more liberal with their use of interigation techniques are not hearsay and innuendo. The article is about finding acountability.

- You need a law to tell you tourturing people is wrong?

This should be an issue of great concern to everyone. The fact is that we must uphold a standard on human rights. The war on terrorism isn't won by capturing avery single terrorist becasue that can't happen. Terrorism will only be stoped if we cease to be a valid target. The only way to do that is to stop perpetuating the hate for this country around the world. We commited crimes, for us it's not a big deal because we arnt the victims. We think we can sweap them under the rug and forget about it, and we will. Others may have longer momories, especially if their homes and children ended up as colateral damage during our attempts to bring them "freedom". Not holding anyone acountable for these actions is the equivalent of handing out Al Quida inlistment pamphlets. So it's not just about morality. Oposing these actions is logicaly beneficial to the US.

I am not saying, burn Bush and Co. at the stake. I realize the situation they are in. I realize drastic actions have to be taken. But they CAN go too far and we can't just keep counting these crimes an "necessary". It is discusion like this one that allows us to decide on that issue.

05-30-2005, 07:12 PM	#32 (permalink)
Mantus lascivious	Ustwo, Why do you continue to post such replies. Everything you write reaks of sarcasm and attempted belitteling of the posters you respond too. I know everyone does this now and then, but EVERY single one of your posts is like this... Anyhoo. In order of your responces. - Tourture of German and Japanese prisoners, or the detainment of Japanese living in America within camps or any of the other crime the US comited during WWII does not justify any future crimes by any other administration at any other time. Nor do current crimes excuse sins of the past. - The material is obviously biased. How else would one write an article with an aim of condeming an individual or a group with crimes? Yet it being biased doesn't necisarilly mean it's suspect nor tainted. - Obviously the above article could be false. Yet this is not the first such case made against the curent administration. IF this matterial holds any truth it's certainly not a good thing. Thus it's worth discusing. - Rummy sent the prisoners there. Dlishsguy made a perfect analogy earlier. - So if they behead, we are alowed to sink to their level? - Guantanimo Bay, prison tourture in Iraq and Afghanistan, sending terrorist subjects to countries that are more liberal with their use of interigation techniques are not hearsay and innuendo. The article is about finding acountability. - You need a law to tell you tourturing people is wrong? This should be an issue of great concern to everyone. The fact is that we must uphold a standard on human rights. The war on terrorism isn't won by capturing avery single terrorist becasue that can't happen. Terrorism will only be stoped if we cease to be a valid target. The only way to do that is to stop perpetuating the hate for this country around the world. We commited crimes, for us it's not a big deal because we arnt the victims. We think we can sweap them under the rug and forget about it, and we will. Others may have longer momories, especially if their homes and children ended up as colateral damage during our attempts to bring them "freedom". Not holding anyone acountable for these actions is the equivalent of handing out Al Quida inlistment pamphlets. So it's not just about morality. Oposing these actions is logicaly beneficial to the US. I am not saying, burn Bush and Co. at the stake. I realize the situation they are in. I realize drastic actions have to be taken. But they CAN go too far and we can't just keep counting these crimes an "necessary". It is discusion like this one that allows us to decide on that issue.