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Originally Posted by Suave
I don't know why you'd call moral subjectivity a mess. It's very real, and very important. Well, I'd call it moral relativity more than subjectivity. If one doesn't realise the relativity of morals and other patterns of thought, it leads to intolerance of other societies and cultures.
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OK, yes, moral relativity. The fact that you believe intolerance to be a bad thing is only dictated by your relative moral code.
So if I dont accept that other people have differing opinions on what is good and bad I could do something which might be good, or bad, depending on the morals of the observer.
On the other point, both theism and atheism are beliefs in an absolute. As we all know, only a Sith deals in absolutes...
But seriously, any true believer in science is a believer in finding the truth through observation of the world, and as such is agnostic by definition. Any outright atheists are as nutty as the religious people they detest so much.