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Originally Posted by Seaver
Interesting considering you apparently dont know how these things act out. We dont just leave the victims there during a fight. The US or it's allies have not withdrawn from a fight without its casualties. Only a select few didnt make it out (I.E. downed aircraft). So our dead made it out with the vehicles they went in with. So saying they already know who died and who survived is ludicris.
We dont just leave our bodies lying there, the insurgents are forced to do that more often than not so we have a very clear picture on how many were killed. We take our bodies out because of medical hope of revival, out of respect, commoradery, and to deny the terrorists access to them.
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You're absolutely right there is no such thing as espionage, intercepted messages and in this given situation civilians that work in the hospitals, airports and seaports that don't open their mouths. OUR GOVERNMENT has all those under 100% security and death threats.
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Originally Posted by Seaver
Now I have to say that this is without a doubt one of the most ignorant statements EVER I have seen on the boards. Only for weaponry in development? How about the location of our carriers, their date of port visits and location? How about troop movements? How about weak armor points on the M1 Abrams (over 15years old now... not exactly new).
Censorship is required WHENEVER the lives of men are at risk. Your need to know does NOT entitle others to die. Other people should NOT lose their lives or get maimed because a smug sense of entitlement.
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If you are publishing paperwork where our troops are and the manuevers they make then you are an idiot. But I can almost guarantee even if we did publish the enemy knows far more sooner than we could ever publish them. Perhaps, I should have made my argument more clear and stated the papers in question or others of public interest should never be censored. Hard to hide an armored division moving in an area with eyes.
Of course, we train our field commanders to make decisions and moves before they are ever relayed to Washington. But then again how presumptuous I am to make such a statement.
As for carriers going into port, kind of hard to hide that. Plus the fact almost any ship (esp. larger ones) has to radio ahead and make sure the port and the tugs are ready (I served in the Navy, our ships almost always have to radio ahead to make sure ports are ready) Weak points on tanks, ships and other mobiles.... can guarantee the enemy already has those..... great thing about selling our tanks and equipment to countries overseas, they already have the plans.
Obviously you have not served in the military, or know of how information travels in the military and how by nature people talk.
But you're right, how stupid of me to assume that we are the only high tech out there and that the enemy doesn't have satellite communications, radio recievers, spies and so on.
But if that is such the case why is this war taking so long...... Forgive me for being such an idiot in assuming that perhaps the people we are fighting are organized and developed in some form, I guess it's the fact that the war drags on, bodies keep coming over and Billions of our tax dollars keep getting shipped over to fight such a weak unorganized, undeveloped enemy.
