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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Well first and foremost the congress has passed a few abortions bills. One such one was the death of a fetus in a federal crime was amounted to murder, which the liberals were kicking and screaming about. Then they delivered on the partial birth abortion ban, that took a day to get ruled illegal by a low court.
As for the amendment surrounding gay marriage, the republicans tried to pass the law, it didn't have the support to pass the congress, the system worked.
The whole amendment thing is a preemptive strike. Right now we have DOMA in effect, but it won't last for ever. The Supreme Court will eventually have to hear a case regarding gay marriage, if an amendment were in place it would negate any ruling that would go against DOMA which in one decision could be thrown out the window.
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Why were the bills that were passed ruled illegal in lower court? And with the reasoning in mind, why not pass laws that will not be ruled illegal?
Personally, as much as I loathe abortion, I would rather have it legal than watch it being done by hacks in back alleys. Abortions have and will always be done, we cannot legalize it. What we can do is make it legal with education. Counsel the woman and offer her choices, introduce via tapes women who have had abortions and regretted it. Education will work far far better than just throwing a blanket law over the problem and saying it is immoral.
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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Namely democrats suck, to me personally they embody a black hole of reason and responsibility. I don't see how an amendment would be more government, it would merely restrict the courts ability to rule on it at a national level, which would take away the states rights as they are afforded through DOMA.
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I see, Dems suck so you will blindly follow the GOP. Even if it means they pass more harsher laws and are just as invasive (if not more so on some issues) against states rights?
I truly don't understand this "conservative" ideology that is being bandied about by the GOP. They use a couple issues and promises yet the "Neo-Cons" control your party and true conservativism and the Barry Goldwater (who at one time was considered the leader of conservativism) are simply ignored. Such as less federal involvement, a more cost conscious government with less red tape.... and so on.
The GOP long ago sold its soul to the Religious Right in order to gain power and in doing so has made promises that goes against Barry Goldwater's conservativism.
What you have now is the very wealthy and the religious right dictating how they want the government. I'm not saying the Dems of 20-30 years ago were not in the same boat with the radical left, but the Dem Party is changing with the times and more and more Dems are socially liberal and fiscally conservative..... which believe it or not the vast majority of people are. The problem is POWER, the religious right uses fear, the rich use the old cliches of how taxes burden them down, and the Neo-Cons use voices like Limbaugh to discredit the Dems.
But it's all a penduulum and in the 60's and 70's the punduulum swung very left..... the 80's it swung towards the center and now it has swung very right and is trying to start to swing back to center. But the Religious Right and the Neo Cons voices are trying very hard to drive fear into the mix and keep the penuulum from moving..... it may slow it down a bit.
And it is funny how Justices O' Connor and Rehnquist were considered "perfectly conservative" not more than 20 years ago by the GOP and religious right and now those 2 are considered almost too liberal. I don't think their ideologies changed or that they became ultra liberal.... I think it proves the GOP has gone too far right.
What's even more telling is only 2,TWO, were named by a Dem president.... Ginsberg and Breyer. The rest were all placed by true conservative presidents.... so maybe instead of crying about how liberal the court is you should look to see how far right your party has become.